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    12-11-2012, 04:17 PM
  #31
Yearling
Allison Finch- Thanks for the explanation! So there are two types of warmbloods? The type of warmblood like the middle class (Regular horses such as Quarter horses), and the name "plastered" on a group of horses? Correct?
     
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    12-12-2012, 07:25 AM
  #32
Weanling
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    12-12-2012, 09:14 AM
  #33
Foal
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Originally Posted by EmilyJoy    
Allison Finch- Thanks for the explanation! So there are two types of warmbloods? The type of warmblood like the middle class (Regular horses such as Quarter horses), and the name "plastered" on a group of horses? Correct?
I didn't quite understand your question... what do you mean "Like the middle class"?

I have heard of people calling mutt crosses "American Warmbloods", and supposedly there's a registry for it. To me, it's just a gimmick to sell the horse. People go ga-ga over the word warmblood and the price immediately shoots up by 10k. They call QH/TB an Appendix QH in the western world... but put dressage tack on it, and suddenly it's an American Warmblood. Ha.

Seriously though, I think the use of the term Warmblood (at least as far as this thread goes) means the breeds listed by Allison Finch. I didn't see anything refering to Quarter Horses (Did I miss it?).
     
    12-12-2012, 09:45 AM
  #34
Yearling
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Originally Posted by core    
I didn't quite understand your question... what do you mean "Like the middle class"?

I have heard of people calling mutt crosses "American Warmbloods", and supposedly there's a registry for it. To me, it's just a gimmick to sell the horse. People go ga-ga over the word warmblood and the price immediately shoots up by 10k. They call QH/TB an Appendix QH in the western world... but put dressage tack on it, and suddenly it's an American Warmblood. Ha.

Seriously though, I think the use of the term Warmblood (at least as far as this thread goes) means the breeds listed by Allison Finch. I didn't see anything refering to Quarter Horses (Did I miss it?).
There is a registry for it. Not "supposedly" at all. You can view it (and people do) as gimmicky, or not, as you like, but it is indeed a real registry with inspections and approvals and so on. While they get a right slagging on forums like this one, a horse has to be of a certain quality and meet minimum standards in order to be registered. My own horse is registered with them (by her previous owner, not me) and while I don't call her a "warmblood" because really, she's not, the fact that she was inspected and approved by AWS meant to me that some knowledgeable third party thought she was decent sport horse material. So all the more reason for me to buy her.

In any case, the Appendix QH label comes from the way the AQHA stud books are set up, rather than the discipline or training of any individual horse in it.
     
    12-12-2012, 10:05 AM
  #35
Trained
Not sure if im right or wrong, but I don't think an appendix can be registered as an AW. Please correct me if im wrong, I've never heard of that happening !

Mostly draft horse Xs get registered as AWs in my experience. Their standards are very low imo.
     
    12-12-2012, 10:38 AM
  #36
Foal
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Originally Posted by thesilverspear    
There is a registry for it. Not "supposedly" at all. You can view it (and people do) as gimmicky, or not, as you like, but it is indeed a real registry with inspections and approvals and so on.
I said "supposedly" because I don't know much about it, what's required, etc.

The gimmicky aspect is that the horses not inspected, not rated, and/or not containing even half of the accepted warmblood breed lines, are called warmbloods in order to up the price. I wasn't calling the registry gimmicky, just the practice by some of calling any horse an american warmblood in order to get more money for the horse.
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    12-12-2012, 11:40 AM
  #37
Yearling
Let me ask it this way. If "Quarter horses Tennessee Walkers etc." are not "hotblooded" (Arabians, Thoroughbreds) and if they are not considered "coldblooded" ( Percherons/ draft type) Then what are they classed as? Just curious. I do realize there are horses with the title Warmblood "Dutch Warmblood" "Swedish Warmblood" "Belgian Warmblood" , but just curious as to why Quarter horses etc. are not considered Warmblooded...As that's the class I would put them in.

Here is a link that causes confusion to what you are saying, they say that the Quarter horse is a warmblood.

Warmbloods Horse Breeds Information

And to make a "Warmblood" a person should be able to cross a "coldblood" to a "hotblood" to make a "warmblood" ???????
     
    12-12-2012, 11:45 AM
  #38
Trained
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Originally Posted by EmilyJoy    
Let me ask it this way. If "Quarter horses Tennessee Walkers etc." are not "hotblooded" (Arabians, Thoroughbreds) and if they are not considered "coldblooded" ( Percherons/ draft type) Then what are they classed as? Just curious. I do realize there are horses with the title Warmblood "Dutch Warmblood" "Swedish Warmblood" "Belgian Warmblood" , but just curious as to why Quarter horses etc. are not considered Warmblooded...As that's the class I would put them in.

Here is a link that causes confusion to what you are saying, they say that the Quarter horse is a warmblood.

Warmbloods Horse Breeds Information

And to make a "Warmblood" a person should be able to cross a "coldblood" to a "hotblood" to make a "warmblood" ???????

All horses are warmblooded mammals. A warmblood as a breed type is defined as Allison has explained it.
A coldblood and a hotblood crossed together will make a crossbred horse.
A quarter horse is part of the stock breed type, not the warmblood breed type.

ETA just because Joe Smith made a website with an official sounding title, does not make the information true. For reading about horse breeding, breed types and origins of these horse breeds, your local library will usually have great books available on these topics.
     
    12-12-2012, 12:08 PM
  #39
Banned
Hmmmm I haven't bothered reading all the posts, but I was of the belief and had been taught that the whole hot, warm and cold blood label was based on temperment......for example:

Arabs, TB's : hot blood
TB x Clyde or Shire x TB : warmblood
Shire, Clydesdale etc : cold blood

Warmbloods (not all of them) but most are essentially a mix between the two.....cold and hot......essentially a cross breed......
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    12-12-2012, 12:12 PM
  #40
Trained
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Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
Hmmmm I haven't bothered reading all the posts, but I was of the belief and had been taught that the whole hot, warm and cold blood label was based on temperment......for example:

Arabs, TB's : hot blood
TB x Clyde or Holsteiner x TB : warmblood
Shire, Clydesdale etc : cold blood

Warmbloods are essentially a mix between the two.....cold and hot......essentially a cross breed......
Horses don't work like water. You can't mix hot and cold and get warm.
Coldblood is a breed type
Hot blood is a breed type
Warmblood is a breed type
Stock is a breed type
Gaited is a breed type
Etc..
Crossing any of these breed types with another makes a crossbred horse. A TB clyde is NOT a WB, it is a crossbreed.
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