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        06-21-2009, 11:02 PM
      #41
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    Stormyblue's, I disagree. Your job is NOT to two point then wait for your horse to jump. You need to support your horse, and leave WITH the horse, not before. Especially on a green one, you can't just drop them and say "Now your turn"

    That said, falling off happens to everyone! I fell of twice in a row once over the same jump. I dropped the pony right before the fence and she went "Huh?" and stopped. I kept going and slid down her neck to the other side, lol
         
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        06-21-2009, 11:02 PM
      #42
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by StormyBlues    
    awww! Dude, your round was IDENTICAL to mine! Great in Dressage, fell third fence XC, perfect stadium! CRAZY! Don't feel bad! It happens to EVERYONE! You will get better in time. As for your question, if you are going into two point, and the horse stops, not your fault, you were doing what you should do, and the horse didint' do it's part.
    I wouldn't necessarily say that it wasn't her fault. I mean the horse was obviously nervous but if you are in your two point that doesn't mean the horse will jump - especially a green and nervous horse. Sitting down and supporting and encouraging right to the base of the jump is the only way.

    Let me tell you, I've made my fair share of mistakes doing the same exact thing. My mare when jumping used to scare me because I would never know when she'd stop since she was a dirty stopper. But anticipating the jump and getting into my two point and just letting her go to the fence herself doesn't help either. Obviously give the horse their space, but only in the mouth when approaching a fence.

    At least that's what I think would help.
         
        06-21-2009, 11:03 PM
      #43
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by 1dog3cats17rodents    
    Stormyblue's, I disagree. Your job is NOT to two point then wait for your horse to jump. You need to support your horse, and leave WITH the horse, not before. Especially on a green one, you can't just drop them and say "Now your turn"
    Haha, I spent too much time saying the same thing. I agree.
         
        06-21-2009, 11:28 PM
      #44
    Trained
    HEY! I said that already! *shakes fist in air* LOL!

    Great posts girls :)
         
        06-21-2009, 11:52 PM
      #45
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by MIEventer    
    HEY! I said that already! *shakes fist in air* LOL!

    Great posts girls :)
    I know we are all saying the same advice which is probably boring the girl taking it in, haha. I just had to disagree as well.. It's what I do best.
         
        06-21-2009, 11:59 PM
      #46
    Green Broke
    I totally agree with 1dog3cats17rodents. 99% of stops, falls, etc. are rider error. And the 1% that is the horse's fault is usually caused by the rider.

    Sorry that you got eliminated HITS but it's so nice that you were at a schooling show and they let you continue the course. I LOVE schooling shows for that reason. It's a very good learning experience for both horse and rider. It's awesome that you can learn these things at an event that costs a quarter of what a regular event does! Haha.

    As for the "two point and wait" part... my 17 yo OTTB mare was not inherently bold but she would jump anything that you pointed her at. But only if you supported her with your leg and she knew you were right there with her. I learned the hard way (several times!) that you CANNOT take your leg off right before a jump just because you think they are going to jump anyway. My horse proved that she doesn't have to do this for me and I started to respect her for that. If I'm not going... why should she?

    Both you and your beautiful mare are new to this sport (and jumping in general, which is quite impressive!) and I know you will fully admit you have alot to learn. We have all been there and this is how we all learned to event! You have to fall off to know how good it feels to NOT fall off! If that makes any sense... haha

    Congrats on your 3rd in dressage, great stadium round, and an overall excellent learning experience!
         
        06-22-2009, 01:27 AM
      #47
    Trained
    Quote:
    Sitting down and supporting and encouraging right to the base of the jump is the only way.
    I agree, especially out on the CC course.

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    But anticipating the jump and getting into my two point and just letting her go to the fence herself doesn't help either. Obviously give the horse their space, but only in the mouth when approaching a fence.
    That is why learning to sit and drive is a great way to teach yourself to say behind your horse, and with your horse. Jumping ahead and anticipating the fence is a big no no out on the CC course.

    Solid seat, leg and upper are very important aids to learn.
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    I totally agree with 1dog3cats17rodents. 99% of stops, falls, etc. are rider error. And the 1% that is the horse's fault is usually caused by the rider.
    Well said Eventerdrew, I couldn't agree more with you.

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    As for the "two point and wait" part... my 17 yo OTTB mare was not inherently bold but she would jump anything that you pointed her at. But only if you supported her with your leg and she knew you were right there with her. I learned the hard way (several times!) that you CANNOT take your leg off right before a jump just because you think they are going to jump anyway. My horse proved that she doesn't have to do this for me and I started to respect her for that. If I'm not going... why should she?

    Well said, and it takes horses who don't cover our patooties all the time to teach us this. Horses who wont jump without the solid support of their riders, are vaulable assest to teach us how to ride them to the base of the fence accordingly.

    Nelson certainly taught me that - and he is just like your mare. If I let my leg off of him, he'll stop - and I'll keep going. So I learnt how to solidify my leg around his girth. If I drop my shoulders - he stops.....if I jump ahead - he stops.

    It takes these wonderful horses to teach us how to ride them properly to the base of the fence, and for that - I am thankful.

    I have a scar on my right arm due to a metal jump cup being embedded in my arm - because I stopped supporting Nelson to a 3'0" something oxer....I stopped riding him, he said fine - if you aren't coming with me, I'm not going either...and he stopped, I kept going....yeah....fun.

    Lol.
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    Both you and your beautiful mare are new to this sport (and jumping in general, which is quite impressive!) and I know you will fully admit you have alot to learn. We have all been there and this is how we all learned to event! You have to fall off to know how good it feels to NOT fall off! If that makes any sense... haha

    Congrats on your 3rd in dressage, great stadium round, and an overall excellent learning experience!
    Well said - I agree HITS - you are doing a wonderful job and you'll get there. Congrats once again!
         
        06-22-2009, 02:03 AM
      #48
    Banned
    Somehow after Stormy's post I expected this to happen. Deja Vu all over again from the previous thread that covered this very same seat position before a jump but seems to have failed to sink in to that certain person.
         
        06-22-2009, 10:38 AM
      #49
    Green Broke
    Well, I guess you guys horses have stopped different with you because every stop I have had with a horse is when they are supposed to be taking off, so I had already done my part of getting them to the jump, with me leg on, and they stopped right before take off, so I couldn't have been sitting, back because I would get left behind
         
        06-22-2009, 01:29 PM
      #50
    Green Broke
    Thanks everyone, very good advice indeed. I do seem to have a HUGE issue with jumping ahead that I cannot seem to break! I'm going to chalk it up to inexperience for now and just keep trying!

    Part of the problem is that I'm so paranoid about being left behind. It seems like whenever I "wait for the horse to jump", I am left behind. But if I don't, I'm jumping ahead! Can anyone explain to me how in the world you manage to find the "perfect" moment?! I know there has to be a way, but no one has been able to explain it to me yet in a way that has clicked for me.

    I fully accept that the refusal was my fault...I was more nervous than I think I have EVER been in my entire life, and I KNOW that it rubbed off on Sandie and made her nervous. I'm going x-c schooling with my trainer tomorrow, part of the issue here too is that Sandie has seen a cross country course ONCE, twice now with this show course. So some things about certain jumps just scare her to death! If you notice the 2nd jump in the fall video, she got excited to jump that one! I had to hold her back, she wanted to RUN up to it!! Haha But there was just something about that third jump...it had rocks piled up in front of it and she just got really freaked out by it.

    Funny thing is that if she canters up to a jump, I'm with her 100% at the right moment, I can tell exactly when she's about to jump and follow her. But with trotting, it's SO HARD for me to figure it out for some reason...and I can't let her canter the whole thing because her canter is still VERY fast and gets more out of control as she goes. We're working with canter on the flat but for now, I'd like to keep the courses to a steady trot instead, for safety reasons (for both of us).

    PS (I think someone asked about this in one of the above posts) -- my trainer has not had a chance to work with me in x-c yet, only stadium and dressage. He felt badly about that, and because he had to miss the show yesterday (it was Father's Day so I can't blame him for that, he has kids!)...but he's taking me schooling tomorrow and he told me that he can help me with these issues and make sure it doesn't happen again! (well, minimize it at the very least haha!!)
         

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