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post #1 of 70 Old 05-22-2014, 05:31 PM Thread Starter
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Totilas has returned to competition!

Totilas competed for the first time yesterday since 2012.


I loved watching this horse when Edward Gal rode him so I don't know if it's my sense of injustice that's affecting my opinion of this test, but to my untrained eye it seems that the extravagance of his front end is at odds to his hind end movement.

Regardless it's nice seeing him competing again.
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post #2 of 70 Old 05-22-2014, 05:50 PM
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How exciting :O Go Totilas! <3

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post #3 of 70 Old 05-23-2014, 01:14 AM
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He's been turned into a leg mover. Curb parallel to the ground throughout, poll constantly dropping, irregular behind, very messy transitions...
Not an easy horse to ride but unfortunately with a rider not so experienced as Gal, he is not done any justice.

I much prefer Valegro and hope judges continue to reward beautiful correct, soft work over tense, tight and unpleasant work.
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Oh for jeez sakes can't we just be positive and support our sport?

I think Rath has done a lot of work and his seat is 300% better. He's learned to sit and not drive and to ride the horse quietly. As a result the horse is much more relaxed than previously and doing the work in a calm manner.
Toto is not an easy horse to ride. I doubt any mortal could climb aboard without having to change their pants afterwards. At least amidst the constant bullying and naysaying Rath is out there trying. And boy, has his investment in education really paid off. I no longer see an arrogant boy - but now a horseman.
I admire him for his persistence over years to succeed.
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post #5 of 70 Old 05-23-2014, 08:39 AM
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I agree with Anebel. Rath is doing the best he can and developing a horse that works for him. I don't see a lot wrong with how either him OR Gal rode Totilas, it was merely different styles on a hard to ride horse. I know in my experience with a hard to ride horse they will ride differently for everybody. I saw a nice and relaxed mount who wasn't pressured to do anything and was mentally thinking throughout. I like Valegro for the same reasons. I won't ever be critical of someone who's riding a hard horse, or giving their all to succeed. After all, it is a bit of art!
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Mathias Rath has improved unbelievably! The first time I watched him ride Totilas I just cringed and wanted to cry for the horse. Granted, mere mortals will have a hard time coming even close to Edward Gal's overall elegance and nobody has his hands, so Rath still has a long way to go, but he's really been doing a LOT of work and it was evident in this video. Good for him! And I'm thrilled that Totilas no longer had the black cloud over his head that was obvious in the first ride I watched. In this video Totilas looks much more relaxed and attentive and not at all just pissed in every pore. They have really come a long way. Good job!

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post #7 of 70 Old 05-23-2014, 04:48 PM
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The warm up was nicer than the test. I'm very happy to see him again!

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For sure he has improved, I certainly don't dispute that. What I do dispute, is the fact that if this were an unknown combination I do not believe the scores would be so good - is this REALLY the forth best Grand Prix ridden this year? I think not...
Matthias has put the effort in absolutely, I still do not like the work as I said above. No he is nut an easy horse, again as I said above, however I will never be content in seeing a curb parallel to the ground for an entire test. Valegro is also known to be an extremely difficult horse, yet the relatively inexperienced Dujardin can send him up to the bridle without needing to crank him via the curb.

I think they are now on the right track, but the judging of this and the hype of 'because it's Totilas' gets up me. Perhaps if this horse had not been seen doing amazing things under Gal, he would simply blend into the crowd of other very talented horses currently touring international GP..
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For sure he has improved, I certainly don't dispute that. What I do dispute, is the fact that if this were an unknown combination I do not believe the scores would be so good - is this REALLY the forth best Grand Prix ridden this year? I think not...
Matthias has put the effort in absolutely, I still do not like the work as I said above. No he is nut an easy horse, again as I said above, however I will never be content in seeing a curb parallel to the ground for an entire test. Valegro is also known to be an extremely difficult horse, yet the relatively inexperienced Dujardin can send him up to the bridle without needing to crank him via the curb.

I think they are now on the right track, but the judging of this and the hype of 'because it's Totilas' gets up me. Perhaps if this horse had not been seen doing amazing things under Gal, he would simply blend into the crowd of other very talented horses currently touring international GP..
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I can't and won't nitpick a rider/ride because I am not a dressage rider but I can see a really improved ride and appreciate how much work it took to get it. Do I think Gal was Totilas' other half? You bet. I also don't think there are a lot of people who can compare to Gal. Rath is trying hard and for that I'll give him kudos. What I do know for dead sure and certain is, I could not have ridden that ride and probably couldn't ride that horse. I'm might get on him and go roundy round at WTC but I would not be able to get out of him what Rath has managed. He still has work to do, and he'll have work to do when he's 70 years old, so will we all.
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Again, as above... I dispute the scoring for the work shown.
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