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post #1 of 11 Old 05-03-2009, 10:38 PM Thread Starter
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Ok, I have been looking at horses to buy but so far the ones I have been looking at that are supposedly educated have not turned out well as they have not been quiet enough for me (so far only looked at TBs) so I want to get a Aus. stock horse and I know they ahve amazing ability as low to medium level dressage horses plus being quiet. The thing is that most of them have not had any training in dressage. So my question is when trying out a horse that is so far untrained in dressage, what should I look for? I know that I need one which is very responsive to leg aids but other than that I don't know.

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What age range are you looking at and what level of "training" are you expecting (like just W/T/C) or more or less ?
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I'm looking to get a horse between ages 7 and 12. eventually my goal is to be able to do leg yielding, shoulder in, half pass and also flying changes

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In that age range the horse should be doing W/T/C forward with stops on command. It should also be able to back up and have at least the beginings of lateral work started or at least some movements confirmed.

If they don't state that in their ad or tell you when you call then pass them by.
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Most people who own Aus. Stock horses in australia probably wouldn't even know what a lateral movement was if I asked them lol. what characteristics would a horse need to have to be able to be taught these movements.

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Most people who own Aus. Stock horses in australia probably wouldn't even know what a lateral movement was if I asked them lol. what characteristics would a horse need to have to be able to be taught these movements.
No serious conformation faults and a good brain. The basic lateral movements are not difficult to train but the basic gaits have to be there.

If you are looking for a potential dressage horse you need to see it run free (or in a smaller arena/paddock). What you are looking for is handiness. I want a horse that can canter to a fence or wall and simply turn without breaking gait. A horse that has to slow down or drop out of gait into a easier slower one to turn usually hasn't the "natural" balance I look for. I want the horse to display a natural extension and after being chased around I want that horse to stop and come to me quietly to put a lead on.

If it has that then I would be interested.
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Most people who own Aus. Stock horses in australia probably wouldn't even know what a lateral movement was if I asked them lol. what characteristics would a horse need to have to be able to be taught these movements.
Wow, so that's super offensive to someone who owns ASH in Australia...

True, most people who own ASh don't ride a lot of *competitive* dressage. But working stock horses sure as hell need to know how to move off leg, be light on the aids, have a good solid stop, good solid, straight back up and have a cool mind. The majority of *reputable* breeders and resellers will also have a solid flying change on their horses.

If you want to be successful in ASh classes, your horse will ALSO need to show decent collection. So you must not be looking in the right places if you are finding horses and owners ignorant of any of these concepts. If you don't mind me asking, what is your budget? Have a look on breeders websites and get a feelf or the market and quality of horses. There are quite a few nice ASH in this months horse deals, which you can view online.

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Forgot to mention, how do you think ASH negotiate the gate portion of a time trial so quickly? Yep you got it, side pass, turns on the forehand and on the backhand. I.e. Lateral movements.

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sorry wild spot I didn't mean to be offensive, and you said it yourself 'most' people don't compete their ASHs in dressage. What I was trying to get at was how do I ask someone whether the horse can do those things without saying dressagy terms that they may not know. Lots of people don't show them at all and just use them for stock work or trail riding. My budget is up to $5000. There are some really nice looking ones in horse deals in my area that I'm going to ring up about today. they are all ASH x QH though. I just want to know what I should be looking for in a potential dressage horse which Spyder has given me some idea. I don't want to make an owner feel insecure if I ask them can your hore do shoulder in and travers if they don't know what they are.

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No wories, sorry about getting a bit hot under the collar... lol. I'm very defensive of ASH :]

If you want to ask an ASH owner... Ask things like is he light off the leg, good sidepass/turn on the forhand/backhand, flying changes everyone would know. Even executing good, balanced haunch turns and rollbacks would bode well for a potential dressage horse as both require precision, balance and a degree of collection.

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