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post #11 of 26 Old 08-10-2011, 10:28 PM Thread Starter
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This sounds like it would be a good exercise to get the horse relaxed and pliable. I think that difficulties with this would be loss of forward motion and keeping the haunch from swinging out of the circle. Maybe over flexing at the neck if not enough outside rein is used effectively. Sound plausible?

All of the above and the correct crossing over with each step. Aligning the fore and rear so they stay straight but flexible. It is the ultimate in control and I can almost guarantee that even if you feel your turn on the forehand is perfect you will find every flaw and weakness when attempting this.

What I am doing with these threads is not to teach you how to do something but to understand what you are doing so you CAN think out of the box. Just because you can do one thing does not mean you move on and forget it and done now on to something else. Even the most lowly movements can be taken to the next step.

I am hoping questions are asked so when you go into a test and things do not go the way they are supposed to, ( happens ALL the time) you can at least minimize the error on the spot.
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Spyder, you really should write a book on dressage; your advice is phenomenal.
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Just remember that anything done on the fore can be done via a haunches around the pole. This would be a lot harder but is an exercise that would set the stage for a canter pirouette and can also be used to strengthen the hind for such things as piaffe and passage.
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This might be a dumb question, but its better that I ask then not know.

With turns on the fore and hind, which direction should the bend be towards? Should the inside of the bend be opposite of the motion (like a leg yield) or with the motion (like a half pass)? Should there BE a bend, or should the horse stay straight?
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This might be a dumb question, but its better that I ask then not know.

With turns on the fore and hind, which direction should the bend be towards? Should the inside of the bend be opposite of the motion (like a leg yield) or with the motion (like a half pass)? Should there BE a bend, or should the horse stay straight?
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In both cases the horse should be nearly straight through the body with only slight flexion through the poll in the direction the horse is being turned towards.
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In both cases the horse should be nearly straight through the body with only slight flexion through the poll in the direction the horse is being turned towards.
Both cases being a turn on the fore and the haunches, yes?

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Both cases being a turn on the fore and the haunches, yes?
Yes.

The turn on the hind would be the easiest to see the poll bend but the turn on the fore would have the horse in virtually a straight position, almost like a spoke in a wheel...which is what a turn on the forehand in motion is.
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Ok I will explain what it is and YOU tell me what benefit you feel it gives and what difficulties you would expect in its training.

Imagine a pole standing upright in the middle of the arena. This could easily be a jump standard.

Now do a turn on the fore AROUND (describing a circle around the fixed object) that pole so that each step REMAINS a turn on the fore and does not degenerate into something else.
My coach has had me start doing this with the horse I'm competing. He's 25 (give or take a few years, we don't know for sure) and it really helps him "unlock" and start to supple through his back more. Granted, it's probably his least favorite exercise precisely because he has to start working more, but it's very good for him. Heck, I find it really challenging because I have to really focus on what part of his body I'm asking him to move. Who knew horses had so much to move around and keep under control.

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My coach has had me start doing this with the horse I'm competing. He's 25 (give or take a few years, we don't know for sure) and it really helps him "unlock" and start to supple through his back more. Granted, it's probably his least favorite exercise precisely because he has to start working more, but it's very good for him. Heck, I find it really challenging because I have to really focus on what part of his body I'm asking him to move. Who knew horses had so much to move around and keep under control.

Then you have a coach that understands that riding is more than getting on and looking good. Or even just driving it forward without any idea if the horse is truly working correctly.

Kudos to your coach for most haven't a clue or may know but can't teach.
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She's wonderful. I absolutely love riding with her.
The learning curve is nearly vertical, but I like it that way. She really understands how to help the horse understand what you're asking. She told me that if she didn't event she'd want to be a straight dressage rider, lol. For her it's never "eventing dressage," she always has that higher expectation.

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