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        08-29-2011, 01:59 PM
      #21
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Spyder    
    And lastly for those that are having trouble doing either of them does anyone wish to explain how they would teach the horse these exercises.
    Oh yes please...
         
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        08-30-2011, 04:53 PM
      #22
    Weanling
    I would love to start this off somehow but I've read/been told so many different methods and opinions that I don't dare to pick one that might possibly work. But the way I would start would be from the ground, teaching the horse to move away from the pressure applied by my hand before I get into the saddle and ask him to react to my leg (and he still has big problems reacting to leg pressure after 10 years of being green broke and then serving as a school horse for beginners without any further training, but that is another discussion). So to start introducing him into the world of turning on the forehand I'd want to teach him to step sideways with his hind legs when pressure is applied slightly behind the girth area.


    ...does that sound like I ever have a chance to teach my horse a turn on a forehand successfully? Lol
         
        08-30-2011, 05:03 PM
      #23
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    Originally Posted by mumiinek    
    I would love to start this off somehow but I've read/been told so many different methods and opinions that I don't dare to pick one that might possibly work. But the way I would start would be from the ground, teaching the horse to move away from the pressure applied by my hand before I get into the saddle and ask him to react to my leg (and he still has big problems reacting to leg pressure after 10 years of being green broke and then serving as a school horse for beginners without any further training, but that is another discussion). So to start introducing him into the world of turning on the forehand I'd want to teach him to step sideways with his hind legs when pressure is applied slightly behind the girth area.


    ...does that sound like I ever have a chance to teach my horse a turn on a forehand successfully? Lol
    That would be the initial ground training that I would teach a green horse also. This can be enhanced by placing the horse facing into a corner and moving the hind quarters from one side ( to the wall) then reversing and moving the opposite side to the other wall.

    Then I would slowly move the horse farther and farther from the corner.
         
        08-30-2011, 05:49 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    I'm afraid I will fast forward a bit now but... a few things I've always heard differently and need a little clarification about - I'm in the saddle, have my horse face the wall and I want to turn him on the forehand to the left. Where do I put my weight? On the left seat bone or the right seat bone? Does he move away from the pressure or into it? I've heard horses move away from the pressure in the saddle just as they do when it's applied on their chest, side, thigh etc. but then I also heard it's a natural reflex for them to move towards the pressure in an attempt to keep balanced (kind of like when you have a kid sitting on your shoulders and it leans sideways, you automatically move to that side not to fall over). Which theory is correct? How does weight switching make (or should make) a horse react? Can't really try with my own horse as he doesn't react to pretty much anything... Also, if I got it right the horse should be very slightly bent towards the direction he's turning, that makes my right leg (if I'm turning him to the left) an outside leg, right?
         
        08-30-2011, 06:09 PM
      #25
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    Originally Posted by mumiinek    
    I'm afraid I will fast forward a bit now but... a few things I've always heard differently and need a little clarification about - I'm in the saddle, have my horse face the wall and I want to turn him on the forehand to the left. Where do I put my weight? On the left seat bone or the right seat bone? Does he move away from the pressure or into it? I've heard horses move away from the pressure in the saddle just as they do when it's applied on their chest, side, thigh etc. but then I also heard it's a natural reflex for them to move towards the pressure in an attempt to keep balanced (kind of like when you have a kid sitting on your shoulders and it leans sideways, you automatically move to that side not to fall over). Which theory is correct? How does weight switching make (or should make) a horse react? Can't really try with my own horse as he doesn't react to pretty much anything... Also, if I got it right the horse should be very slightly bent towards the direction he's turning, that makes my right leg (if I'm turning him to the left) an outside leg, right?
    First things first. You should be EVENLY balanced and not lean or have your seat bone extended in either direction. You want the horse turning from your aids. Your seat comes into the picture as part of your core and hip as one piece not separate. If you have your horse trained well enough , just the closing of your outside leg will be enough to initialize the turn.

    As far as where the horse will move to ... try leaning to one side. The horse will follow and move in that direction. The tendency is to align themselves UNDER the rider not away from the rider.

    As far as the bend. Again the horse is virtually straight and any bend comes from the poll, not the whole body. The horse will be have that bend in the direction it is moving to.
         
        08-30-2011, 06:29 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    Thank you for the clarification. Yes I did mean a slight bend in the poll, not through the whole body.

    Anyway I hope more people will join and try to elaborate on the topic, I'm afraid I don't have enough knowledge about it myself and I'd love to learn more.
         

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