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post #11 of 30 Old 09-27-2012, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch View Post
I have mixed feelings.

I have never been a fan of "pretty over effective" as is seen in many equitation classes. If I really believed all judges had the ability to see what a rider is doing and evaluate, appropriately, WHY they may be doing something...I might like it. I just have seen too many poor judges obsess over pretty instead instead of effective.

Sounds a bit too subjective, to me.
Because the rest of dressage isn't?

As my eq is rubbish, I'd avoid those classes like the plague if I still lived in the US and weren't avoiding shows in general like the plague.
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post #12 of 30 Old 09-28-2012, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Klassic Superstar View Post
Wow! This is so cool! I'm with you completely and will be very intrested in seeing how this works out! I was grooming at Donida this year and so many 1st&2nd level riders had way to big of horses that they couldn't control or they just looked so beyond what they where capable of and it was really just embarsssing! With that said there where some mind blowing tests and amazing horses to watch float across the diagonals and watch the tempi's and see the scores! Just such a great learning exoerpaince! Now having groomed at the EI shows and such in my area, only at Donida the last two years it has taunt me and inspired me so much! This is my year to take my young green horse horse out for training level! And I hope to be able to ride in some of these rail classes and this new class you have mentioned! Thanks for sharing!
Did you see that an equitation rail class has been added to the Donida dressage schooling show class lists for 2012/13? Might be fun to try in addition to the tests.

I think these rider tests should have some type of qualifier to sign up for them - either a certain score on the same level tests, or at least be testing at that level as a prequal to the rider tests to avoid those that will enter for just rider tests and turn these into "flashy dressage show horse rail classes"

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Charlotte Dujardin came into dressage from the UK show classes that are judged on the performance of the horse and not of the rider - though a good rider will always get more out of a horse than a mediocre 'sitting pretty one.
Why not have similar classes that are aimed at 'riding horses' rather than what we see as dressage horses but are performing at the entry level standard using a 'general purpose seat - which is pretty much whats expected in a UK show class. We have lots of classes that are judged by type and not breed for ponies, cobs, hacks, riding horses and hunters. The classes involve riding altogether around the ring at walk/trot/canter and in some cases a gallop changing direction by riding across the ring and not 'reversing on the rail. Each horse/rider then does an individual show while the others are lined up to one side or in the middle of the ring and they are then judged.
There are the lower end local shows that anyone can enter in regardless of how much they paid for their horse and the higher level County shows
There is a championship class at the bigger shows where all the various types of riding horses - winners from the individual classes compete against each other,
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post #14 of 30 Old 09-29-2012, 04:47 PM
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I hope these tests won't reward just 'looking pretty'-- they should be looking for riders that can get their horse into a nice appropriate roundness, back up, and forward thinking.

To do this usually takes a 'dressage-appropriate' seat. If the horse is hollow, doesn't that say something about the rider's seat, and thus should be judged down?
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post #15 of 30 Old 11-27-2012, 07:17 PM
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I think it might be interesting. I know currently in my area many of the schooling shows just have "rail" classes that are based on rider equitation and not the horse. You never really know what you will be asked to do in them. One year it was a basic walk, trot, canter, show me your two point (two point in a Dressage show????). The next year it was walk, trot, play follow the leader in a called out pattern, take turns cantering with a simple lead change etc.

I wonder if the schooling shows in my area are going to take out the rail classes and switch to the rider tests instead.
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post #16 of 30 Old 11-27-2012, 09:03 PM
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I've looked at the tests and I'm not sure that someone just "looking pretty" could get away with a good score anymore than someone in a regular test...I honestly thought they might challenge me a bit more. I for one would most certainly go for this class. It will be interesting to see my results.

I know in my experience that having a horse with better movement definitely affects your score for the better. I used to ride this other mare whos movement was lacking...she just naturally didn't have much athletic talent. Getting good scores on her was a challenge even though she was a terrific mare who was excellent at showing and totally a schoolmaster. However, I can get on my current boy and just naturally get better scores...he has better quality gaits.

I think that really the point of these tests is to put riders on more of an even playing field...since they are don't give, "extra credit for the horse's gaits, impulsion and submission,"

Now of course I agree that a horse with bigger movement is harder to ride to...but a horse that is easier to ride because they aren't as correct in their movement will get fewer points.

But those are just my thoughts...

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Sorry if this seems a bit random. I am doing my first intro B class in a few weeks and I am curious. Are the intro classes more for the horse or the rider?
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Dressage is judged on the horse. Hence the introduction of the rider tests. That being said, good riding will make your horse go better and for the test to be more harmonious.

Cinny, if the shows are using the USDF score sheets (which as far as I know is illegal at a schooling show) then the standard of the rail classes is first level. If they're not, then they should be stating what will be called for in the prizelist. Either way, how they are currently doing it is reportable to the USDF...
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Mixed feelings but it might be a nice way to get people show experience. I've not heard of rail classes before this thread (shows how often I read the class lists!) but I think I would feel comfortable doing a rider test or rail class since I don't have a trainer to help me with the whole "what to do at a show" bit or what to do for the tests.
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post #20 of 30 Old 11-28-2012, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~ View Post
Dressage is judged on the horse. Hence the introduction of the rider tests. That being said, good riding will make your horse go better and for the test to be more harmonious.

Cinny, if the shows are using the USDF score sheets (which as far as I know is illegal at a schooling show) then the standard of the rail classes is first level. If they're not, then they should be stating what will be called for in the prizelist. Either way, how they are currently doing it is reportable to the USDF...
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I know they are using USEF score sheets for actual tests and Nebraska Dressage only "recognizes" the actual tests the rest is just fun fluff like Prix Caprilli, pad de duex, and the rail classes. As for the fluff stuff, I know that on the entry forms it states that the "suitability" and "equitation" classes are suited for the intro and training levels and frown on other levels entering, however they do not disallow such entries. The sheets do say either walk/trot or walk/trot/canter but that is it. That is what they start with but as the class progresses and the judges find it hard to choose between some of the riders they start throwing in other things like two point, simple lead change, canter circles, etc. This is the way it has happened at pretty much every schooling show I went to last year, including county fair.

I didn't know this was wrong,but it seems like this is the way all the schooling shows in my area that have such classes do them.
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