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    08-15-2012, 12:27 AM
  #11
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Nickel, those comments don't represent the attitude of most of the people who show dressage. You will find most of them very welcoming and non-judgemental, and especially tolerant and helpful towards those first starting out.

I was showing at a CDI-W (big show) and a young lady showed up having forgotten to pack her saddles. Everyone at our barn was hustling and figuring out our schedules so that we could loan her saddles that fit her and her horse. This young lady saw the better side of dressage that day.

Never judge a whole discipline by one or two people.
     
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    08-15-2012, 12:30 AM
  #12
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After re-reading I do need to make it clear that the rescue is only going by what it's bern told and they are the ones who made the video. Someone who knows a but about dressage offered to ride her to create a video that might help her adoptability. The pics were also taken by the rescue.
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    08-15-2012, 12:31 AM
  #13
Trained
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Originally Posted by nikelodeon79    
Anebell: Did you miss the part about her being at a rescue? I don't think rescues can afford to be picky about the brands of saddles they use. (And, frankly, if this is an indication that people are going to look down on me because I can't afford an expensive saddle, not sure I want to get involved in the showing aspect if the discipline). Most likely, I will just have fun and learn. :) Thank you for your input.
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There are plenty of inexpensive saddles available on the used saddle market with 10x the craftsmanship of a Wintec. Wintecs are cheaply, poorly made saddles that IMO fit very few horses and riders. Anyone that chooses to put on of those things on their horses backs is not looking out for their welfare, IMO, when there are less expensive saddles that will fit better and are of much higher quality available used.
I rode a horse to championships at a regional level in a $500 military style Passier from the mid 1900s and currently compete at international levels in a $2500 KN, as opposed to my competitors who are all in $5000++++ "custom" "air" overly padded, cushy contraptions.

It is not about the price tag, but the quality.

ETA in addition to what Allison has said, I've been in a similar situation when a student of my coaches could not pick up her shadbelly due to a holiday before a CDI. She had at least 10 shadbellies in her tackroom to borrow within a few hours. The dressage community is very welcoming and people are very quick to lend things, or sell them at reduced cost to friends. This would include rescues, and I would think that locating an inexpensive or free dressage saddle of good quality would not be a difficult task. I have had as many as 5 saddles and one horse and I basically gave a few of them away. Wintecs are not a necessary evil, they are an "easy out" option, and at their current price point, an expensive one when you can purchase a new KN at a similar price point.
     
    08-15-2012, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
nickel, those comments don't represent the attitude of most of the people who show dressage. You will find most of them very welcoming and non-judgemental, and especially tolerant and helpful towards those first starting out.

I was showing at a CDI-W (big show) and a young lady showed up having forgotten to pack her saddles. Everyone at our barn was hustling and figuring out our schedules so that we could loan her saddles that fit her and her horse. This young lady saw the better side of dressage that day.

Never judge a whole discipline by one or two people.
Thanks, and I won't. I do also realize it's an attitude that is present in a few in every discipline. I managed to show a little in Western Pleasure without a speck of silver on my saddle, after all!
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    08-15-2012, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
There are plenty of inexpensive saddles available on the used saddle market with 10x the craftsmanship of a Wintec. Wintecs are cheaply, poorly made saddles that IMO fit very few horses and riders. Anyone that chooses to put on of those things on their horses backs is not looking out for their welfare, IMO, when there are less expensive saddles that will fit better and are of much higher quality available used.
I rode a horse to championships at a regional level in a $500 military style Passier from the mid 1900s and currently compete at international levels in a $2500 KN, as opposed to my competitors who are all in $5000++++ "custom" "air" overly padded, cushy contraptions.

It is not about the price tag, but the quality.
Thanks for clarifying, and "which saddle" is definitely another question I'll have if I do end up getting a horse for dressage. I only currently speak in terms of Simco, Circle Y, etc. at the moment. I have no knowledge of what's good in the English world.
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    08-15-2012, 01:25 AM
  #16
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I disagree with the comment made about Wintecs and frankly it came off kind of snarky and rude. Being in college (until this past May) there was no way I could afford to spend $1,000 on a saddle. I had tried a Schleese saddle (way out of my price range but fabulous), a Custom (the lady only wanted $750 and I really wanted it but again... BROKE), as well as a cheap-o Collegiate (DID NOT work for either of us). I had been looking for used saddles at consignment stores, renting them and couldn't find anything which worked. I really thought it was hopeless and I was going to have to take out a car loan to pay for a custom fit saddle if I wanted to keep showing.

Finally one day my husband and I got a wild hair and went into PFI Western (it's a big western store in Springfield, MO) just to look around and I found a Wintec which had the adjustable gullet system. They let me try the saddle for 30 days if I didn't like it I could take it back. I bought it and two of the gullets just to see which one worked (it came with a medium and I purchased a narrow and I think the other is wide). I tried it on my high withered Thoroughbred and it fit him GREAT! It's a very comfortable saddle and doesn't mess with my seat (that Collegiate was a piece of junk, like sitting on a piece of flat cardboard). I didn't even have to change the gullets, it stays off his withers with no pad, doesn't rock back or do anything quirky once you get it on and he hasn't had any back problems since I got it (the Collegiate I had use to make his back sore even with a pad). I got a brand new, nice (I wouldn't say it's anything amazing) saddle for $500. Say what you will but it's all a matter of opinion and personal experience. IMO, if you are on a budget and need a decent saddle which cleans up well, the Wintec I purchased has been a wonderful saddle.
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    08-15-2012, 01:25 AM
  #17
Weanling
How do I hit "like" more than once? I think she's perfect for your current goals. Like someone else mentioned, at the very least, you can upgrade her and prep her for another learner rider if/when you do out grow her. I love her relaxed and willing way of going. Not a fan of her rider but she tried her heart out. Gold!
     
    08-15-2012, 06:44 PM
  #18
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
There are plenty of inexpensive saddles available on the used saddle market with 10x the craftsmanship of a Wintec. Wintecs are cheaply, poorly made saddles that IMO fit very few horses and riders. Anyone that chooses to put on of those things on their horses backs is not looking out for their welfare, IMO, when there are less expensive saddles that will fit better and are of much higher quality available used.
Um... wow. You can buy Wintec saddles in very good condition for less than $300. I don't know where these less expensive, better quality saddles that you speak of are, but I sure haven't seen them. And to imply that anyone using a Wintec is negligent? That's uncalled for.
     
    08-15-2012, 08:37 PM
  #19
Weanling
I think there are many positives with this mare. She looks willing to be forward, even though she isn't being ridden very forward in the video. She's willing to move off the leg. She's willing to do a walk-canter transition, almost a halt-canter transition.She's well-broke.

SHE'S WILLING.

She looks sound. She looks like she has some dressage training.. She's purdy And she's probably cheap

Yes, she isn't uphill. Yes, she is parked out behind. No, she is in no way a 2nd level horse.

But there's nothing there that would prevent her from being a very nice starter dressage horse. Plus, you'd be giving her a home

I really like her. Because she's WILLING. I'd be very tempted were I you.

And I'd name her Carpe Diem. Because if you don't seize the day, someone else will, and they'll be getting a nice willing well-broke mare. Emphasis on WILLING.
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    08-15-2012, 08:45 PM
  #20
Weanling
And there are plenty of used high-quality saddles on Ebay. You can find many Kieffers, Passiers, priced under $500, and they were long the standard of excellence, and are great saddles still. Certainly you'd need a fitter, but I also recommend a good brand used leather saddle or a Wintec on a budget.

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