And I really have to say I absolutely love my Wintec Pro Dressage saddle. It fits my horse wonderfully. Has the perfect amount of rock, clears her withers and really lets her move freely. And I highly doubt I could have gotten a good quality leather saddle that was almost new, hardly any wear, everything intact and with many many years left for the whopping price tag of $250. And it is the most comfortable saddle I have ever sat in and I've been riding for over 15 years. So comfortable that I am actually convincing people at my barn that my saddle trumps any western one in comfortability. And mine is flocked and doesn't move a bit on my horse and I never put the girth tight.