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    01-30-2011, 12:32 PM
Originally Posted by faye    
Impulsion is not 'a desire to go forwards' Impulsion is the energy contained between hand and leg.

If you can't get energy contained between your hand and leg in the walk then you are doing something very very wrong!

I can ride to medium level in dressage (the level at which one can use a double), I can create impulsion in the walk and in the halt. TO have energy between your hand and leg, to have the horses hocks under it and its weight back on them is impulsion. The horse can then go forwards, backwards, sideways, up or stop but I have the energy to do whatever the hell I please

Well said Faye!
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    01-30-2011, 12:32 PM
Green Broke
Because the walk is the hardest gait to get right, you don't want to ruin the 4 even beats of the walk by hauling it upwards incorrectly. It is far easier to achieve collection in trot and canter then it is in walk.

Without impullsion one cannot collect at all therefore you must have impullsion in the walk. Otherwise what makes a good walk any different to slopping along in the walk?
    01-30-2011, 12:41 PM
^^ Exactly - that is why Impulsion comes before Collection.
    01-30-2011, 12:47 PM
For me, that's a little bit of a circular argument.

Why is it that the walk is easier to ruin, what is the thing that makes it different from the trot and canter?

I would say, that impulsion and collection develop together, Rehbein always insisted, that all parts of the training scale work together, and one does not do them 'in order, one after the other'.

Forwardness, activity, obedience, before both impulsion and collection, perhaps, but basic forwardness, ,obedience, they never are 'finished' either.

The difference in what I'm saying vs what others are saying, is that you're using the term 'impulsion' to mean 'forwardness'. I see a difference between these 2, others don't.

I can accept that there is a 'baby' version of 'impulsion', that is really 'forward, obedient', and a more developed version of 'impulsion' that is 'contained energy' (via half halt), but I don't agree that the two things, whatever you want to call them, are the same.

You guys all think something else? Doesn't bother me at all.
    01-30-2011, 12:55 PM
Green Broke
Because the perfect 4 beat walk with the horse back on his hocks and over tracking, which is created by having a decent amount of impulsion can be easily disturbed by a loss of impulsion or mistimed aid and you end up with the 3 and a half beat walk, basicly an uneven walk.

My 4 yearold baby pony is currently away being broken, he is happy to go forwards, infact he is far too happy to go forwards (he quite likes trot and canter and isnt too fond of this stopping lark) and he has a nice walk, nice but not spectacular as it could be however he is not back on his hocks and the energy is all running out the front door at the moment, it is not being contained just yet as getting them to go forwards and think forwards is the basis to everything, once you have them happy to go forwards into a contact then you can start to think about containing the forwards energy, moveing the horse back onto its hocks and creating impulsion. Once he has impulsion he will have a rather spectacular walk.
Only once he has impulsion can I even begin to think about collection.
    01-30-2011, 01:06 PM
You don't want overtrack in a collected walk, though.
    01-30-2011, 01:43 PM
Um, yes you do. If your horse is NOT tracking up, that means that the hind end is not dropped, which means your horse is not on their hind end - which means, that there is no impulsion, which means your horse is not opened up and moving under themselves......which means.......that your "Collection" is fake.
    01-30-2011, 01:45 PM
Actually, folks, I was told by 2 trainers that getting impulsion on walk in fact more difficult than getting it on trot. May be it depends on experience of course, but personally I found it to be very true.
    01-30-2011, 01:50 PM
Just because it is more difficult to get it at the walk, doesn't make it impossible. Doesn't make the fact that the walk, does not obtain impulsion. The answer is YES, the walk can obtain impulsion, when the rider uses themselves correctly, ensuring that their horse is using themselves correctly.
    01-30-2011, 01:58 PM
Originally Posted by MIEventer    
Just because it is more difficult to get it at the walk, doesn't make it impossible. Doesn't make the fact that the walk, does not obtain impulsion. The answer is YES, the walk can obtain impulsion, when the rider uses themselves correctly, ensuring that their horse is using themselves correctly.
Oh, yea, I'm not arguing with this one. I just meant it needs more work and practice than, say, trot.

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