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        06-07-2009, 01:04 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    I understand you want to move on, but you said she's been more or less a pasture ornament from the ages of 6 to 15. That doesn't equate to 15 years of solid wp. Sounds more like a clean slate to me.
    Anebel & Spider & I (though I am not nearly as into it as they are) are tyring to say that you can't really move on into any of the 'moves' until you get the basic foundation down solid. You can't rush it. Even if you don't plan on competeing, it's a case of you need to do it right to give her the benefits of dressage. It's not a knock, but it's what's best for her conditioning.
    Anebel - I was refering to the comment about her horse not being able to carry her neck in that manner. I know it's more about the whole body, training & control of movements. But, from someone who rides almost strictly QH's a few dressage people in my area can be kind of snooty about the breed and make remarks about how my horse shouldn't DO that. ;)
         
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        06-07-2009, 01:28 PM
      #12
    Trained

    A Quarter Horse, doing dressage. Not well, mind you, but correct dressage training can muscle the horse into being able to perform movements correctly, not well, but correctly.

    Same horse.

    If we ride the horses correctly, muscle them correctly and have the patience to teach them things properly then any horse can correctly perform dressage movements. It's not going to be fantastic dressage with a QH, but the rider can at least take the time to propery educate the horse.
         
        06-07-2009, 05:08 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    Exactly what I was trying to get at. Sometimes my old mind doesn't completely form thoughts as coherently as it should.
         
        06-08-2009, 01:06 AM
      #14
    Trained
    Again, anybody who will just answer my question?
         
        06-08-2009, 05:44 AM
      #15
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    Originally Posted by riccil0ve    
    Again, anybody who will just answer my question?
    Your question WAS answered.

    What next? Better quality of the three working gaits..
         
        06-08-2009, 06:57 AM
      #16
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by riccil0ve    

    I was just wondering what other things we can work on. I know we can simply step it up and move on to the things we already know at a trot, but I'm thinking for further in the future, what are things I can eventually teach her? What goals can we strive for? And if you could also try and explain how to execute a particular move that would be great. Videos are nice to see the finished product, as well.
    Things you can eventually teach her would be more lateral movements, like the shoulder in. This should come pretty easy as it is just the movement of a circle on a straight line pretty much :) This then moves onto the halfpass and traver and renver. These are great exercises to supple and warm up your horse.

    Flying changes are another thing that comes to mind. If you are sure your horse is currently cantering with impulsion they are pretty easy to teach as it is something horses naturally do on their own. But to ask for it and your horse to response can be the challenge, like when you start asking for tempi changes :)

    As far as goals to strive for maybe look up some dressage tests and see if you can perform them. Maybe find a local show and give it a go and see how you are judged by a professional?

    Anyway here is a page that I have found useful, as you can see it is a bit of a "in the making" thing but I am sure you can google for more information. http://www.classicaldressage.net/mem...tml#lessonmenu
         
        06-08-2009, 07:12 AM
      #17
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    Originally Posted by Pinto Pony    
    Things you can eventually teach her would be more lateral movements, like the shoulder in. This should come pretty easy as it is just the movement of a circle on a straight line pretty much :) This then moves onto the halfpass and traver and renver. These are great exercises to supple and warm up your horse.

    Flying changes are another thing that comes to mind. If you are sure your horse is currently cantering with impulsion they are pretty easy to teach as it is something horses naturally do on their own. But to ask for it and your horse to response can be the challenge, like when you start asking for tempi changes :)

    As far as goals to strive for maybe look up some dressage tests and see if you can perform them. Maybe find a local show and give it a go and see how you are judged by a professional?
    PP

    Higher lever more difficult movements cannot be performed when there is no foundation in the three basic gaits.As it stands now this person would be struggling to obtain a score of 50% at the training level dressage and is no where near ready to be looking at movements which will require the horse to be at least moveing forward with impulsion.

    I personally believe this person has tried to make a game effort at dressage based on what she sees but she hasen't laid down the foundation to build on.

    Without that foundation the house will fall.
         
        06-08-2009, 07:31 AM
      #18
    Yearling
    I just tried to answered her *original* question of things to teach in the future, things to "eventually" consider for her education :) I think the OP understands from your previous posts Spyder that she is not quite ready yet for some movements, you made it rather clear :)
         
        06-08-2009, 10:48 AM
      #19
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spyder    
    PP

    Higher lever more difficult movements cannot be performed when there is no foundation in the three basic gaits.As it stands now this person would be struggling to obtain a score of 50% at the training level dressage and is no where near ready to be looking at movements which will require the horse to be at least moveing forward with impulsion.

    I personally believe this person has tried to make a game effort at dressage based on what she sees but she hasen't laid down the foundation to build on.

    Without that foundation the house will fall.
    Yep :)
         
        06-09-2009, 10:31 AM
      #20
    Trained
    Thank you Pinto Pony. =]

    But what are the traver and renver? And is a halfpass the same as a sidestep? Because we can move over without moving forward. We have to do lateral work to warm up, because she simply won't move over if I we don't. I appreciate the help, I really do. Right now we are only doing things at the walk, and eventually would like to move up to things at the trot.

    As to all of Spyder's posts, I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING. I know she needs work on the three basic gaits, I'm not an idiot, and I'm not rushing her. I'm not asking her to do a canter piourette or a piaffe, all our movements have been done at the walk, and I've found it really helps her throughout the ride, and she's improved much more quickly since I started doing them. And since you have never seen me on my horse, you have not seen us work together in anything but a video of ONE ride, I really don't think that gives you the right to say I would struggle to score well in a training level dressage test. You don't know me, or my horse, nor have you any REAL proof of how we would do.
         

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