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post #271 of 511 Old 06-03-2013, 08:46 PM
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Maybe I can ask my instructor if I can do half of a halfpass.. like do it for 2 strides, then straighten.. and build up on it then. Do you think that would work? Maybe I'm rushing it?
Hmm, I am new to dressage. Is halfpass done while on a bend, and sidepass done while straight?
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post #272 of 511 Old 06-03-2013, 09:20 PM
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Hmm, I am new to dressage. Is halfpass done while on a bend, and sidepass done while straight?
I'm sorry.... I confused the two.

Halfpassing is what I'm after, not sidepassing.

Halfpassing is a lateral movement that the horse does while moving forward at the same time.. so it's more diagonal. The horse is bent towards the direction of the movement. The horse is bent around your inside leg and moves with that 'shape'

A sidepass is a lateral movement without any physical forward movement.. so it's truly moving sideways. I believe (I haven't learned it yet) that the horse's nose is tipped but it is not fully bent as much as the sidepass. [[please correct me if I am wrong]]

I'm working on the halfpass, to allow my horse to bend and move laterally but also forward. Making sure I give the right cues for him to yield to me.

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But well done on you for being at the sidepass stage. Sorry I confused you..

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post #273 of 511 Old 06-03-2013, 09:36 PM
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I'm sorry.... I confused the two.

Halfpassing is what I'm after, not sidepassing.

Halfpassing is a lateral movement that the horse does while moving forward at the same time.. so it's more diagonal. The horse is bent towards the direction of the movement. The horse is bent around your inside leg and moves with that 'shape'

A sidepass is a lateral movement without any physical forward movement.. so it's truly moving sideways. I believe (I haven't learned it yet) that the horse's nose is tipped but it is not fully bent as much as the sidepass. [[please correct me if I am wrong]]

I'm working on the halfpass, to allow my horse to bend and move laterally but also forward. Making sure I give the right cues for him to yield to me.

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But well done on you for being at the sidepass stage. Sorry I confused you..
lol no problem, just wanted to make sure I was on the same page! I saw 'straighten out' and thought, well maybe I'm not on the right one =/ Anyways, thank you! Yes, Cloud can sidepass on the ground and in the saddle now- although tentatively. He can pivot on the haunches much better than the forehand :) We are nowhere the half pass yet haha
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If you are not getting a lateral reaction to your aids, I would go right back to turn on the forehand a leg yielding. Half pass is a very difficult movement, even with a horse that understands to move laterally off the leg rather than rushing forwards. That is the key to training - always go back to the basics to make sure all of those main buttons are confirmed before charging ahead to the 'tricks'.
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If you are not getting a lateral reaction to your aids, I would go right back to turn on the forehand a leg yielding. Half pass is a very difficult movement, even with a horse that understands to move laterally off the leg rather than rushing forwards. That is the key to training - always go back to the basics to make sure all of those main buttons are confirmed before charging ahead to the 'tricks'.
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I don't really see it as a trick.. just a different way of moving.

I see it as he is either taking advantage of my lack of proper positioning (like my leg isn't supporting him) or I'm confusing him by asking him to bend and move laterally instead of just forward. I gather it's a lot harder than forward so my guess is he is just taking advantage that I quite frankly am new at it.

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Do you both have a solid leg yield and turn on the forehand? If you don't, you will never get the half pass
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post #277 of 511 Old 06-04-2013, 06:30 AM
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Well Reeco and I are concentrating on transitions at the moment, mostly the trot to canter transition.
I'm also personaly working on letting go of his front end and trusting him more. He has been a realy good boy recently and I need to stop clinging on to his mouth for dear life!
We have also done away with the martingale and the flash which has made him a lot softer in his neck (they were there as crutches to my confidence on him and to help regain control when he bolted).

I started asking for leg yield a couple of days ago and he is fine leg yielding left but paniced and offered to rear when asked to leg yield right. His right side is his weak side (side his pelvis fractured) so I've backed off on trying that again untill he has seen the physio, I do not want to force the issue if he is sore.

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Sorry, what you are describing sky, is not a half pass. It is a counter bent LY.

Can you SI? Required for a HP. Can you travers? Renvers? Also things needed in a half pass.
Also, unless your coach has taught you what a correct HP is and gone through all the theory with you, don't attempt it. You are obviously confusing the horse and neither you or the horse are ready. It is not "a different way of moving" it is a mid level dressage exercise requiring a great deal of collection and submission to the aids. Dressage is not a sequence of tricks.


Anyways, just finished my last clinic before heading to the coast next week. Worked a lot on straightness with the kiddo, working towards second level. So we'll see I registered in one test on the Sunday of the second show (June 30).
My guy is going just fantastically it actually hurts how well he's going. Practiced the I1 zig zag, pirouettes and tempis and all are good to go for the show. Now its just amping up the collection another half notch on the dial. The trot is getting really fantastic not looking forward to riding in 80 degree temps in a wool coat though... talk about a sweat fest...
But, anyways. Last vacs are getting done tomorrow, packing for the 3 weeks is starting, and there's still a big focus on training, especially once I get over this **** flu..
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It's amazing just how difficult a half-pass can be.........I can LY, turn the forehand (spin and a more forward moving turn) haunches in, shoulders in (that ones hard).............HP......not going to happen for a long long long time
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Sorry, what you are describing sky, is not a half pass. It is a counter bent LY.

Can you SI? Required for a HP. Can you travers? Renvers? Also things needed in a half pass.
Also, unless your coach has taught you what a correct HP is and gone through all the theory with you, don't attempt it. You are obviously confusing the horse and neither you or the horse are ready. It is not "a different way of moving" it is a mid level dressage exercise requiring a great deal of collection and submission to the aids. Dressage is not a sequence of tricks.


Anyways, just finished my last clinic before heading to the coast next week. Worked a lot on straightness with the kiddo, working towards second level. So we'll see I registered in one test on the Sunday of the second show (June 30).
My guy is going just fantastically it actually hurts how well he's going. Practiced the I1 zig zag, pirouettes and tempis and all are good to go for the show. Now its just amping up the collection another half notch on the dial. The trot is getting really fantastic not looking forward to riding in 80 degree temps in a wool coat though... talk about a sweat fest...
But, anyways. Last vacs are getting done tomorrow, packing for the 3 weeks is starting, and there's still a big focus on training, especially once I get over this **** flu..
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