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    09-23-2009, 09:41 PM
Green Broke
I very much like my Wintec Pro Dressage Saddle. I am an eventer, and my whole team uses a Wintec. They are comfy, and since I have a good trainer to help me with my position, I have never had a position problem in it. It is very nice haveing to just wipe it off with a cloth the day before a show! The only thing I dislike about it is those horrid Wintec sturrip leathers! My mom hates them, as do I, so we just got Stubben ones, MUCH better! I would definitely invest in one!
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    09-24-2009, 05:45 AM
'There are a few riders who ride in wintecs around here and those are the only two positions I see them in, no one can ride with a correct, soft, supple position in these saddles.'

You do not understand how these saddles are made, nor who they are made to fit.

These two wintec saddles are made for very specific body shapes, and unfortunately, not one that most people have. A long, slender femur/thigh is needed, and with the isabell having a wide twist, it puts many people off of the saddle. The high cantle often requires the rider to ride in a size bigger then they typically would. Clearly your body type did not mesh with the saddle's.

That does not mean they are made poorly or made to put a person in the wrong position--it means that those saddles did not fit YOU. I find that wintecs in general are a neutral saddle (you have to have your own balance as they will not help you), but my isabell is a joy to ride in. And there is absolutely no 'chair seat' that you've seen 'everyone' ride in.

The CAIR is like I stated before--some horses love it (mine), some horses hate it. It can make movement more bouncy because the horse can have a freer back which makes the movement bigger, but is that such a crime? ;)

To the OP--I highly suggest trying one of these saddles before purchasing. I love my wintec isabell, and I love the cair system (so does my horse!). The saddles you will love or hate, but the quality is impeccable.

Good luck!
    09-24-2009, 12:21 PM
Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
I have ridden in the Wintec Pro and used to own the Wintec Isabelle. Neither with air.
I found the Wintec pro to be like riding on a nice slab of concrete that puts you in a chair seat. It did fit my horse fairly well, but after a week of use I actually had bruises on my butt from it.
I sold my Isabell the second I smartened up and realized that in order to "do dressage" you need a real dressage saddle, were it not for the high cantle, the huge thigh blocks and the fact I rode a horse with very little movement in it I would have been bouncing severely and in a chair seat. Although much softer in the seat than the Pro, the same basic construction issues exist, it tucks your pelvis in or lets it hang out (you can't sit straight up and down) and as a result you are put in either a chair seat or some weird straight legged position.
There are a few riders who ride in wintecs around here and those are the only two positions I see them in, no one can ride with a correct, soft, supple position in these saddles.
As far as the air, no matter the kind (CAIR, flare, DK, etc..) it basically acts like a springy cushion, which is awesome if you have a horse that feels like a jackhammer to ride. But otherwise if you have a horse with big loftly, flowing strides it just skyrockets you out of the saddle. Even if you have a horse with "normal" gaits you can't sit very well. And on most horses it never "fits" quite right because unlike wool, you can't minorly shape and adjust the flocking. This results in the saddle bouncing. 90% of air saddles I see on horses bounce, no matter tha manafacturer or how well it has been fitted.

Personally, were I looking for a cheap dressage saddle, I would look at used tack stores and find something that fits your horse ok, fits you well and re-flock it. I have a gorgeous, but ancient Passier for sale right now that fits a 10, doesn't have all that padding and crap for $450 or something stupid and no one will buy it. It's not even the cheapest dressage saddle at the store either.

Good luck!
1) huh? Since when are these not "real" dressage saddles?
I am of the mind that dressage is not about the tack at all though, so maybe it's just me *is doing dressage in a CC saddle*

2) Is it at Equi-Products? I refuse to buy a saddle there after the treatment I was given last week. I called them up, gave them a description of my horse, what I was looking for, and a budget. He said he had 5 or 6 saddles that he thinks would work for me that were in my budget. When I got there, he sat me in 5 or 6 saddles, but they were all brand new and WAY out of my price range. I saw many saddles sitting there within my budget, and kept asking to sit in saddles that were within my budget, and got the brush off "oh, I wouldn't bother. Save up your money and get one of these."
    09-24-2009, 12:47 PM
I ride in a Wintec 500 and an Albion SLK, love them both but the Wintec was the first one I tried that was synthetic. Always said I'd never have a synthetic but have now changed my mind. I love it, it's easy to clean and costs less than half than that of a Bates (which is the same saddle but in leather) Personally I like the thigh blocks, the design of dressage saddles has come a long way in recent years. The thigh blocks will help you stay in the correct position, there's nothing quite like a dressage saddle for putting and keeping you in place. The CAIR system is good for the horse and with the Easy change gullet system you should be able to manage with just one saddle for the horse, no matter if he muscles up, gets thinner/fatter. It will probably be able to be fitted to another horse as well so some money invested will pay dividends.

If you can't afford a new one, there are often 2nd hand ones on eBay - and if you mess around with the spelling when searching you may find one that hasn't got any or very low bids on it. I quite often find some really good deals when I look at misspellings. :)

    09-24-2009, 03:26 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
1) huh? Since when are these not "real" dressage saddles?
I am of the mind that dressage is not about the tack at all though, so maybe it's just me *is doing dressage in a CC saddle*
I would also like to know what makes this not a real dressage saddle. What makes a "real" dressage saddle?
    09-24-2009, 05:09 PM
A "real" saddle (of any type, not just dressage) is leather and can last more than 20 years.

JDI - my saddle is up in sherwood park. If you want someone in the south that is good to deal with, I've heard nothing but good things from County Equine. I also don't deal with E-P anymore, thank goodness their north branch closed!!
    09-24-2009, 05:25 PM
I disagree with you about the "real" saddle part; there is absolutely nothing wrong with synthetics, and they are built to last too.
Problem is, people look down on them because they're more economically priced and made out of different material, so they get a bad rap from people saying stuff like that.

The equipment doesn't make the rider or horse for that matter... you can ride equally as brilliant or crappy in a synthetic or leather saddle.

    09-24-2009, 10:23 PM
Green Broke
^compleatly agreed. My mom won many rated dressage competitions in her Wintec Pro. Just because you don't have to shell out thousands of dollars for something doesn't mean it isn't real tack.
    09-25-2009, 12:17 AM
IMO something designed to last 5 years is not going to be as well thought out as something designed to last 50.
Yes, the saddle is not going to magically make you an amazing or crappy rider, but having the proper equipment makes it a hell of a lot easier to ride well.
Just like serious hockey players don't skate in crappy skates, or with those cheaply made sticks, someone who wants to do dressage to the best of their ability is going to want the equipment that makes that the easiest for them, whether it is second hand or not. A second hand Passier, Courbette, Stubben, etc.. is not going to cost "thousands of dollars" either, StormyBlues.
Also, congrats to you mother.
    09-25-2009, 04:40 AM
Whilst there is no denying the truth in Anebel's reply
Just like serious hockey players don't skate in crappy skates, or with those cheaply made sticks, someone who wants to do dressage to the best of their ability is going to want the equipment that makes that the easiest for them
you have said that you only do dressage competitions once or twice a season, so I don't see the need for a top of the range saddle that's going to last 50 years (your horse won't!) Therefore having an affordable saddle that you are happy with is important. If you get one with an interchangeable gullet at least you can put it on another horse if/when you get another horse. There is nothing wrong with a Wintec, if there was, they (the brand), wouldn't be so popular. And, as I said before it is from the same company that make Bates, just a different brand name, everything except the material and price is the same and Bates is a very good brand.

Dressage saddles are perfect for schooling and long distance riding, you don't need to get one with the thigh block, they do come without but IMO go for the thigh blocks you will really appreciate it once you've got used to it.

Yes you do need a proper dressage girth, a normal girth is far too long as dressage saddles have very long girth straps so that the buckles and guards are out of the way to allow you closer contact with your horse.


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