'There are a few riders who ride in wintecs around here and those are the only two positions I see them in, no one can ride with a correct, soft, supple position in these saddles.'
You do not understand how these saddles are made, nor who they are made to fit.
These two wintec saddles are made for very specific body shapes, and unfortunately, not one that most people have. A long, slender femur/thigh is needed, and with the isabell having a wide twist, it puts many people off of the saddle. The high cantle often requires the rider to ride in a size bigger then they typically would. Clearly your body type did not mesh with the saddle's.
That does not mean they are made poorly or made to put a person in the wrong position--it means that those saddles did not fit YOU. I find that wintecs in general are a neutral saddle (you have to have your own balance as they will not help you), but my isabell is a joy to ride in. And there is absolutely no 'chair seat' that you've seen 'everyone' ride in.
The CAIR is like I stated before--some horses love it (mine), some horses hate it. It can make movement more bouncy because the horse can have a freer back which makes the movement bigger, but is that such a crime? ;)
To the OP--I highly suggest trying one of these saddles before purchasing. I love my wintec isabell, and I love the cair system (so does my horse!). The saddles you will love or hate, but the quality is impeccable.
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