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    04-29-2010, 04:42 AM
  #31
Zab
Yearling
I'll put the breech-things higher up :)
I have a friend (whit experience, competed etc) with me, she's the one taking the picture with me in the cart and she lead him first :) We're safe with the grounddriving, only time he spooked was when the shaft slid out from the harness..and even that wasn't too bad - he calmed down and just stood.

I'm not sure what you mean with the breecheds and loops? They're attached to the front of the shafts since there's no place else they will attatch on the shafts.. I want them to help stopping the cart, not just slide along the shaft in a down hill or stop.. but they are attatched to the shafts, not the harness :)

The saddle sits in place and well behind the shoulder blade. :)

Thanks for the advice.
     
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    04-29-2010, 08:47 AM
  #32
Green Broke
The breechings go into a loop on the underside of the shaft but it almost looks like they are missing and it doesn't look secured properly and am worried you are going to have another mishap like before. Any reason you are not using a bit? I use a very soft rubber bit.
     
    04-29-2010, 01:57 PM
  #33
Zab
Yearling
It's secured through a loop in the front of the shaft, there is none at the back, but it can't slide out from there unless it breaks, and the shaft pulls it into use when he's going downhill.
The mishap before was because I put the harness/saddle part wrong in the shafts and somehow forgot to put them through the loop in the front (same as the breeches go through) - which won't happen again :)

I'll draw a picture..



The red is the shafts, the green is breeching and the blue is the harness/saddle. So both breeching and harness goes over/around the shaft and through that little loop on the shaft. If it had any such loop further back, I'd put the breeching through that, but now it doesn't :)
The mishap before happened because I missed to put the blue part/harness through the loop.. dunno what I was thinking.. but now it can't slip out or anything :)

I've put the breeches higher, but I might need to cut a bit in them to be able to get it just right, there's no space for more holes than I already made. Dunno why it's so big when everything else is pony sized..

I don't use a bit since he's 2 years old and lots of things are happening in his mouth, plus he's thaught and more safe with pressure on the nose, he understands it better. The cavesson I use isn't as cuddly and nice as it looks, it has a seepskin aroud it since it'll ''nag'' and rub on the hairs and skin on the nose otherwise (even without rein preassure it moves with him and catches the hair), but under that thin pece of sheepskin lies an iron bar that's just as sharp as any bit - if not a little sharper even since it's not rounded but flat - and as the same effect as a snaffle bit. :) It's a riding cavesson much like the one they use to educate the horses in the spanish riding school before they use a bit.

I do plan on using a bit later on, but for now this is just as safe and I don't have to worry about any teeth issues if he acts funny one day. Plus it saves his mouth to when we're ready for ''finer communication'' :)
     
    04-29-2010, 03:30 PM
  #34
Green Broke
It was hard to tell. Any other loop I have seen was about a foot back so it didn't interfere with anything else. I am going to try and post a picture of how to secure the breeaching strap as I cannot explain it. The end of the shaft should be in line with the shoulder also so either your shafts are too short or it is too far back as it looks like that shaft could just fall out.
     
    04-29-2010, 03:56 PM
  #35
Zab
Yearling
The shafts are too long, we need to shorten them about a feet..
It can't fall out when tied properly, I promise :) It's also bent outwards, you can't really see it in the picture.
You see it here tho:

Bent out, and the loop makes it safe..

If you look close you can see that the breeching is pulled through the loop here, and see that the harness girth-thing is too.. (I put the breeching about 3 inches further up today, I'll have to make more holes and longer straps (by cutting the slice there) but then I'll put it further up. He's doing a good jb in the downhills anyway, but I'll fix it asap)

I would like another loop on the shafts further back for the breeches, but untill I find someone who can put one there safely, this will have to do.

But this way of setting everything has been used by many for a long time, I've posted pics on swedish forums and nobody think it's strange. The sulky is professionally made, I've done some work to refresh it, but all details and construction is as it should. I do think it's a training sulky for harnessed racing (ponys or amall standardbreds) but they're usually used for this type of driving too.

I happen to know that a trainer borrowed it one time, and before that it was used for some pony a little smaller than Solon and with one of those cheep harnesses where the chest strap thing is directly connected to the saddle, no breeching or lines.. I had to add the swingle tree myself, but it had a loop for that at least :) Just random info..

But that way of hitching the cart is safe as any, it's made to sit safe that far up and be secured loosely through the loop at the tip.
     
    04-29-2010, 04:10 PM
  #36
Green Broke
I would have a welder put a loop further back and then move the shafts forward. I do not think they are too long once you move it forward more even with the point of shoulder. Where the end is now would poke into the pony when he turns. I found some photo's on line but I couldn't paste them.
     
    04-29-2010, 04:23 PM
  #37
Zab
Yearling
Another photo of just the cart (I'm a little proud of my work with it ;) )



I won't change the forward loop. It's designed to be like that, it's rounded and it doesn't bother him when he turns. If I put it further back the shafts will be way too wide at his sides, and in the way in the front, as they're bent inwards..
If I find someone who can fix it, I will make another loop further back for the breeches.

This is a common type of sulky/rockard around here. Thinking about it, I realized that the shafts on Dackes both wagons (an old scania carriage, used for small trips and ''sunday rides'', and a heavier working wagon) is the same.
     
    04-29-2010, 04:38 PM
  #38
Zab
Yearling
If I do as you want it would look like this, and how could he turn with that? Or secure the shafts to the saddle? You see on the photo from behind in my previous post, how wide that would be.. and just bending them would make then unable to fit in the front, plus I can't do that in a safe way.

They're not supposed to be put like that, the design isn't such. I'd have to re-make the entire shaft, and I won't do that, wouldn't even if I had the money/contacts to be able to (whih I don't), since this works and is generally accepted. Solon's turning really good as it is, both sharp turns and when it's about moving to the side to let a car pass. And the shafts can't fall out.. This is how this sulky is made to fit and function :)

How it would be if I just put them further forward.


Even if it's not how you're used to see it, it's a design and construction as good as any.

I appreciate your advice and concern though.
     
    04-29-2010, 05:10 PM
  #39
Foal
First this is just my opinion. The shafts are to high and need to be lowered so they are mid way on the horses body or so the shafts are up slightly. The hold back straps on the breeching need to attach to the shafts not the loop on the saddle.Your traces that connect to the cart should not stay on the cart. I really think you need someone there that knows something about driving. This can be a dangerous sport but if done correctly it's great. I just don't want something to happen. You have a good thing going you just need a little help I wish I was there to help it would be a lot easier.
     
    04-29-2010, 05:22 PM
  #40
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Zab    
If I do as you want it would look like this, and how could he turn with that? Or secure the shafts to the saddle? You see on the photo from behind in my previous post, how wide that would be.. and just bending them would make then unable to fit in the front, plus I can't do that in a safe way.

They're not supposed to be put like that, the design isn't such. I'd have to re-make the entire shaft, and I won't do that, wouldn't even if I had the money/contacts to be able to (whih I don't), since this works and is generally accepted. Solon's turning really good as it is, both sharp turns and when it's about moving to the side to let a car pass. And the shafts can't fall out.. This is how this sulky is made to fit and function :)

How it would be if I just put them further forward.


Even if it's not how you're used to see it, it's a design and construction as good as any.

I appreciate your advice and concern though.
This makes more sense to me moving the shafts further forward but you need a loop for the breeching further back, about a foot behind the saddle and they are looped but haven't had time to find a picture to show how to loop it so it is tighter and won't flap around
     

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