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        04-28-2012, 03:51 PM
      #11
    Yearling
    verble driveing comands.

    If you ask for walk on and you don't get a responce it also helps to click click walk on tricky some times tap him with the rein once not hard but gentle as that gets his attention but 98% of the time he listens to the verble commands.
         
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        04-28-2012, 06:13 PM
      #12
    Teen Forum Moderator
    MichaelVanessa- I'm having a really hard time understanding you due to your lack of punctuation, so pardon me if I misintepret something you said. I try to keep things simple for Sour, and do not have an 'extended trot' 'working trot' 'woah and stop' command as you are saying, but rather six simple things that I ask and I combine them to get the reaction that I want. I use woah, ease up(transitioning down), walk on (go), trot (I ONLY allow a working trot in the carriage, nothing faster and nothing slower), 'gee' and 'haw.' and clucking to her if I'd like her to pick up the pace without changing gaits. She responds very well to voice commands, and is just green as far as I'm concerned. She has only been driven six times for 10-25 minutes, after all. I really don't know what your exercise with the feed and her lifting her legs is for, so I'll leave that alone. She picks up her feet, disengages her hindquarters, pivots, and will move her feet for me quietly and quickly.

    Goodhors- thankyou. You've been very helpful. I'd just like to clear things up just a tad bit though, as I don't want you to think that I am hurting my horse ^^ when I said 'use my reins' to cue her forewards, I was taught to wiggle and give the voice command, which is what I do. I do not hit her across the rump with my rein :)

    And yes, I do realize that being light on the reins is a trained thing, and I have put a LOT of effort into her ground driving training for that reason. Before I ever hooked her up I established a good mouth on her, and she will respond to the tiniest bit of pressure on the rein. I was noticing that she was getting just a little harder to turn though (not to the point of me really having to pull at all, just noticable enough for me to wonder) and so that is why I came here :) We're still working on collecting up (She's only been driving for a little over a month now) but she's slowly getting ther.

    Thank you guys for your information. I borrowed a friend's driving whip today to use, and used it instead of my reins. Things went very well and I plan on going to buy my own this week. Glad I got that cleared up!

    Also, Sour is a miniature horse. Sorry I didn't mention that.
         
        04-28-2012, 08:03 PM
      #13
    Showing
    Also, some of the sluggishness to your hands may simply be due to her still being so green.

    I can only speak for ridden horses, but they usually do go through a stage where they are sluggish in their responsiveness and/or a stage where they are very hyper-reactive to cues. You just have to stay consistent and keep working them through it.
         
        04-29-2012, 03:04 PM
      #14
    Teen Forum Moderator
    Ahaha, funny you should mention that. This morning I hooked her up and I swear, I didn't even have to touch the reins to have her dancing around, exaggerating her turns and speeding up/slowing down extremely quickly. She settled down after a few minutes but it was rather funny! Good to know she isn't 'broken' or something though, and yes- I do need to remember just how green she still is! XD
         
        04-29-2012, 04:57 PM
      #15
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Endiku    
    So I'm just a tad bit confused, and I'm not sure if there is a 'right' or 'wrong' answer to this, so I don't mind conflicting answers.

    As you all know, Sour started driving about a month ago, and we have since driven out 5 times. She's doing wonderful and we began trotting for the first time a week ago. No problems at all, and my trainer is very pleased with how she's doing. She's finally figuring out that she can stretch into the harness which is making things much nicer for her, and she's very light in the mouth most of the time.

    What I'm confused about though, is this. My trainer has taught me that to cue her, I should use verbal commands ('gee' 'haw' 'walk on' 'trot' 'ease up' and 'trot') paired with a light wiggle or tap of the reins to go and light pressure when I want her to woah or turn- which I have done. Is this correct though? In a lot of youtube videos (yes, I realize they arent always right) and with a few friends, I've noticed that they do not signal 'go' or transitions to a trot or canter with their reins, but rather they use a driving whip. My trainer has never had me use a driving whip whatsoever.

    Is the way we're doing it incorrect? I'm starting to notice that I have to cue her a bit harder when turning and starting than when we first started out, and I'm wondering if that's because I'm doing it wrong. After all, using the reins to tap her on the butt is also sending a 'wave' to her mouth, which might be bothering her or hardening her mouth. Our other horses are trained to move out with a tap from the reins, and one is hard mouthed and the other is soft- so maybe its something else, but I just thought I'd check to clear things up a bit. If I am contributing to her mouth hardening, I want to stop- and I would think that I should switch to a whip before she's completely trained.

    Also, if I am right about this and I should be using a driving whip, would a lunge whip be an alright substitute for the time being? It's about the same length (but heavier for me than a driving whip probably) and I could just loop the string around it so that it only dangles down a tiny bit. Would it work the same?

    Thanks in advance everyone!
    hiya sounds like your haveing fun try clicking or double clicking with a command that works well.
         
        04-29-2012, 09:28 PM
      #16
    Teen Forum Moderator
    ^ I do this, but I use it as my 'second warning' rather than doing it immediately. I usually give her three chances. A voice command, a voice command with rein, a wiggle, and if she doesn't respond still, a well placed tap. Usually she's moving the way I want her to by the time I get to using the rein though- except with for backing up ;) we're still a little sticky with that one!
         
        04-29-2012, 09:45 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Like goodhors, I too have been told NEVER slap or wiggle your lines on the horse. It can cause bad habits...I have a team of drafts and I carry a whip in the holder all the time. I am very fortunate as Trixie and Smoke work a lot off of verbal commands now, but that is years of driving and practice.

    When I do have to use the whip it is to tap them on the rump and a "get up" to whichever mare is lagging or needs to move. I also say their names then the command, watching that one or both ears are back listening before I tell them something. There isn't anything wrong with carrying a whip, it is an extension of your arm. You also always want to have one as if one day, your in a situation that your mare decides that going forward is not an option and begins to back, slapping, wiggling or telling her to get up isn't going to work, you want the whip to reinforce the command.

    If you get a driving whip, if you can, go in and hold it. I had to go and try several different makes and lengths to find one that was long enough, balanced and I could hold it in my hands along with the driving lines AND drive all at once. Do I like carrying a whip? Heck no! But if it is required or necessary, I want to know it is there.
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