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        10-19-2013, 01:05 AM
      #21
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    Green Broke
    Both riding and driving have the potential to be deadly. One is not more dangerous than the other, just different in how they present those dangers.
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        10-19-2013, 03:37 AM
      #22
    Weanling
    Sorry, not trying to stir things up here and I still have a goal to learn driving, I have done it before with VERY experienced guidance and well trained horses, but I see it is not something to be taken lightly! It is unfamiliar to me so I do find it a bit scary, especially seeing a scene like that!
         
        10-19-2013, 03:41 AM
      #23
    Yearling
    Personally, I would never do driving because there's not an easy bail out or emergency dismount. If the horse(s) bolt, you're screwed. It's not like you can leap off or do a one rein stop. I'm too much of a weenie for it.
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        10-19-2013, 06:25 AM
      #24
    Yearling
    Don't know anything about driving:

    So I watched the video and now I have a few dumb questions ( I know NOTHING about driving) so sorry if this is really stupid?

    1. In almost all tack that I use or have seen used there is a "quick release" or "breakaway" function to the tack. For example leather reins break if a horse steps through them so that way they can get free and not hurt.
    Do carts (sorry if that is the wrong term) not have a quick release if a horse gets in trouble? This might be dumb because obviously if the cart is being pulled you would not want it to break free but something that has can break away if the cart tips over etc?

    2. When the first horse became upset would it have been too difficult to get the other horses to leave the arena to get them out of harms way? Most of the horses looked like they were handling the commotion well and looked like they could have exited safely. What about un-tacking them quickly and just getting a halter on so that why if the did spook it was without the cart?

    3. Wouldn't it have been better to let the horse run itself out or just stop on its own, the first horse was obviously using its panicked brain but with so many of those men (not trying to criticize but I thought that made it worse) chasing it and yelling it is no wonder why it kept panicking. Could they have tried to keep it on the out side and set up an inner perimeter to keep it from wrecking into the other horses instead of jumping in front of it?

    4. At the end did the man with the rope do something to break the cart free from the horse? Does any one know if the second horse ever got up, it looks like it tripped on its tack? :(

    5. What kind of horses were they - they were stunningly beautiful.

    6. What about a pickup man or an out rider. If there was a saddle horse in the arena could it have joined up with the runaway and brought it down to a trot, walk and then stand still? I'm thinking like a pickup horse in rodeo or an out rider in TB racing but then again with all the rigging of the carts it would be horrible if another horse and rider were to get caught up in it. I have seen that work with panicked horses before but obviously not one dragging a cart and everything.

    I have seen wrecks in rodeo, jumping etc... it seems like here it was a green horse that was nervous and then became a domino effect of one bad thing after another. Could have happened in any equestrian sport.

    As far as dangerousness goes I agree with Enduku horses all ways have the potential of being dangerous, english, western, driving etc.

    It's a risk we take but do everything to try to minimize.

    Sorry another question:

    One of the horses looks like its tail is pinned to the cart? Is that to keep it from dragging or getting caught up?
         
        10-19-2013, 08:54 AM
      #25
    Green Broke
    Honestly, hindsite is always 20/20. I assume from this they have maybe put and accident plan in place.
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        10-19-2013, 10:22 AM
      #26
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SEAmom    
    I love driving! I don't think it's any more or less dangerous than riding. It's just a different set of risks.

    Now, harness racing is a little scarier, to me, because you get buckled into the cart.
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    Harness drivers are NOT buckled into the bike (cart), they sit on a small seat with a low back, maybe 1-2 inches high. Their legs are up in metal stirrups that are placed along the shafts. Balance and the slight pressure they create pushing on the stirrups is what keeps them in the seat. Not all seats are made that way either, our training cart has a flat seat and I have very short legs, shorter than the stirrups can adjust, I can only rest my toes on them. It's always a thrill, lol!! I don't believe that there are any more inherent risks involved in driving than riding, I do both and have been injured more riding and on the ground than driving :/
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        10-19-2013, 01:45 PM
      #27
    Weanling
    Roux those are all good questions... Honestly, I don't know the answer to most of them.
    I don't believe there is such thing a breakaway equipment in driving, beside the fact that a lot of harnesses are made with leather. Possibly someone doing combined driving knows more about it- it seems like if any driving equipment would breakaway it would be combined driving equipment.
    I think that the people in that arena could definitely have handled the situation much better but like slidestop mentioned, hindsight is 20/20.
    If I were in that situation I would have unhitched my horse from the cart and tried to lead my horse out of the arena as quickly as I could. That being said, I made that a plan in case of a chaotic situation because I have seen this video but who knows if that would even be a reasonable thing to attempt to do if I were ever in that circumstance. I really don't know..
    I'm not going to stop driving because of this video but I will be more cautious while I'm driving... I recognize the danger involved but I trust my horse and our relationship enough to take that risk.
         
        10-19-2013, 03:12 PM
      #28
    Weanling
    I think the men were yelling and waving their arms in an attempt to keep it on the outside of the arena, away from the people and other horses in the middle (it didn't work very well, though!) Obviously it was in such a blind panic it wanted to be with the other horses, poor thing! I hope it didn't get hurt when they threw it- I noticed it was still down at the end of the video, although it was obviously exhausted and hyperventilating. And one of the scariest parts was when that first horse trampled the man near the rail. Heck, the whole thing was pretty scary! I think a vet with a tranquilizer gun would have been useful there.
         
        10-19-2013, 05:44 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Freemare    
    First off let me tell you a few things about that video.

    Why? Beacuse that horse knows safty in numbers. The other horses are in the middle and he wants to be with them.
    3. Once the horses are out. Just let me run himself down on the outside of the arena.






    1. That driver should have known that the horse was upset and never entered the ring, or called a time out and called his handler in.
    I don't think there was any indication of a problem before the class. I understand it was a very experienced horse and when on to drive with out incident.
    2. When the horse got lose they should have taken all the horses out.
    Why? Because that horse knows safety in numbers. The other horses are in the middle and he wants to be with them.
    How do you propose they do that? If you headed for the gate and the horse came up on you and hit you or followed you out of the gate then what? I could see a lot of drivers not having the confidence to exit safely at the proper time and the gate would have to be open a fairly long time to get horse and vehicle out all while one is running up on you.
         
        10-19-2013, 09:59 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    rideing and driveing axedents

    Well I have had 2 crashes I was knocked out once I had no hat on I hit a steel 5 bar farm gate as the cart toppled over.
    It was because an old motorbike back fired.
    I was on one wheel as he bolted in to the yard and hit a rock and the above happend I was draged with the cart on its side knocked out and fell out on to the electric fence.
    Well I got zaped a number of times the guy who was rideing the motor bike started shakeing me as he came on to the yard.
    I was heaverley concussed and could see tricky makeing his way to the car park on the yard I started to run and was weaveing all over the place.
    Thay herded him in to a paddock and thay cought him.
    I was cut and bleeding from my head and hands and knees.
    Rideing I have one pony slip over on me and crushed my foot in the stirrop iron and my anckle was jet black.
    When I first started rideing I kept geting bucked off and we would go for a canter over tottenham mashes snowy would stop dead and the saddle would go up her neck as she put her head down I would go crashing to the floor I can see it now the girth round her four feet.
    She bucked me in to a tree boy did that hurt.
    So I intorduced the crupper I had a d fitted on to the saddle.
    No matter what I did or how tite the girth was it moved.
    well she was a little bit of a bronco and the crupper did the job and we had a great 8 years of rideing.
    Aldo lungeing dragged along the floor twice.
    And the latest one draged in the paddock with a lead rope as a wrist loop well I was tired he was fresh and that combination don't mix.
    I have got a fractured shoulder and have got 95% movement back now.
    I will say this I don't bounce like I use to im geting old lol I think my body is telling me something.
    Its all the abuce of work and horse rideing in all weathers over the years I supose has taken a toll on my body im a bit stiff and arthrittic a bit but I carry on.
    Would I change any of the above no I have enjoyed every minuit of it and I would not change it for the world so I just carry on and enjoy what I have got.
    I was going to hang up my reins when tricky passes on but I had quincy passed on to me so more time in the cart and the saddle lol so my horse years have been extended again.
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