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    11-12-2009, 08:36 AM
  #21
Banned
As long as you don't mind permanently crippling your horse both physically and mentally, keep on with what you're doing. When a horse lays down that's a last-ditch response to avoid pressure--a mental shut down because they have run out of all other options. In this fillly's case, since it was not a conditioned, learned behavior that she knew would get her out of work from prior experience, she was reacting in the only way she knew how--by shutting down, making herself vulnerable, and "checking out." She was responding to the pain of the bit and confusion from all the various stimulants coming at her that she didn't understand. Not exactly healthy, and something that quickly can become a habit.

Of course, behavioral problems will be the least of your worries when she's breaking down from early-onset osteoarthritis and degenerative soft-tissue diseases. Good luck!
     
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    11-12-2009, 09:47 AM
  #22
Yearling
You don't see me sitting here bashing anyone else on here at all for the way they train their horses. So why do it to me? A lot of people break as yearlings. And ill have you know she drives like an angel now. That's the ONLY time she ever did anything like that. Get over it people.

And she wasnt responding to the "pain of the bit" we use a soft leather bit on babies. No metal touches their mouths. Yes, so painful I know....
     
    11-12-2009, 11:43 AM
  #23
Weanling
Ok everyone needs to just stop with the bashing! Almost all race horses are broke at a year old where they cart race or saddle race... Everyone needs to keep in mind that this filly is a race horse and thus is broke young to start racing at two...

Do you have to agree that the way race horses are broke is good? No but you do not need to bash someone over training a race horse like a race horse...

Im also glad to know your filly is doing so well AlmagroN :)

Good luck when she starts racing!
     
    11-12-2009, 12:18 PM
  #24
Foal
So that makes it right, then??
     
    11-12-2009, 01:15 PM
  #25
Yearling
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Originally Posted by lillie    
so that makes it right, then??
it doesnt make it right, it doesnt make it wrong.

Racehorses are broke as yearlings, that's just how it is. Many many many are PERFECTLY FINE! The ones that can't handle it just arent fit to be racehorses. That's just it. Its how it is, its how its been since racing began.

Just because you don't agree doesnt give you the right to be nasty and rude. I don't mach around telling YOU that you're wrong for the way you train your horses, because its not my decision.

And thank you pidge. Im glad someone understands....
     
    11-12-2009, 05:25 PM
  #26
Weanling
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Originally Posted by lillie    
so that makes it right, then??
I didnt say I thought it was right....To be honest I think the way race horses are broke at a young age is bad for the horses in general...BUT that is how it is...and I doubt the industry will change after years of doing it this way... Try to change it if you wish! I would love to make a differece but im poor and don't have the money to make a dif. In a large industry.

Also Standardbed cart racers are proven to have ALOT less issues then TB saddle racers... and as long as the horse is cared for and supported properly it shouldnt have an issue racing...

Even if I don't like the buisness...IM NOT GOING TO ATTACK SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY ARE BREAKING A RACER LIKE A RACER!!! It just happens this way!!! Racers are broke early!!!

So if AlmagroN is having a wonderful time breaking her filly and her filly is doing nicely im going to support her efforts in training a lovely cart racer... I've seen this filly in many pictures...trust me she has it off better then most horses I've seen lately...there is no abuse going on...

Also I've seen the pictures of her filly playing dead....they were not photos of a distressed baby...they were photos of a horse who happened to decide that was the best coarse of action...it was quite funny... It was like my horse trying to stomp a tree over because it was in the way instead of walking around it...Horses are strange like this LOL

So I guess the main points of this are...would I start a filly to drive this early? No I would wait till they were atleast three....

Is almagroN in the wrong for breaking her filly this young? No...her sport requires they get broke young...

SO I only wish her the best of luck with her RACING filly...

And thus I have said my peace....
     
    11-12-2009, 05:39 PM
  #27
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Pidge    
Also I've seen the pictures of her filly playing dead....they were not photos of a distressed baby...they were photos of a horse who happened to decide that was the best coarse of action.
my thoughts is, if she's laying down eating grass, she's not that distressed is she? No sweating, no blowing, nothing, just laying there eating grass....
     
    11-12-2009, 05:45 PM
  #28
Weanling
^Exactly...a horse will not lay there and nibble if they are distressed...and I distressed horse is not likely to lay down either...if they were scared they would not lay down...it goes against the fight or flight instinct...

There is no sweat on that filly in any of the pictures and from what you have said she wasnt blowing air or fighting...she just decided to be goofy and lay down...

I don't see anything that indicates a scared or distressed baby....so everyone just needs to let it go and be glad the filly is doing so well :)
     
    11-12-2009, 07:01 PM
  #29
Yearling
Lets just say I don't know many yearlings that can trailor, crosstie, bathe fully (including head) with a hose or sponge, get blanketed and not chew or pull on the blanket/cooler, have their stall cleaned with them in it with no threat of kicking, spooking, or anything, walk properly with or without a lead, stands for farrier to trim AND has been shod with no problems, can be clipped, etc. all those normal things a horse does every day, never the less she can be harnessed, hooked, and driven without needing someone to hold her to hook and unhook the cart.

I think we have done well with her... and personally, im proud of what we have accomplished with her in just a year. Many people have told me "you would think she's a 13yr old horse she's so well broke"
     
    11-13-2009, 01:56 AM
  #30
Banned
Funny--most every yearling I have been around that has been handled properly has excellent ground manners, yet hasn't been put to hard physical labor (or even had undue strain put on the joints). Must be doing something wrong to have them so well-behaved.

And you're right--if everyone else does something, that makes it completely acceptable and A-OK. Obviously the majority is the moral and ethical authority that we should all tune to.

And racehorses NEVER break down or end up lame and slaughter-bond once their short racing careers are over. Never happens.
     

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