well jimmy, it is a waste of time and energy trying to speak to people who think they know it all and wont even question thier methods. they actually have no proof or evidence to support anything they themselves have to say, are are clearly happy in thier own little world. almagonN -i definately read that post about your method, but i really dont care; the only reason i ever bothered to reply to any of this is so that others who have no experience would know there is a safer, better and kinder way, enough has been written now for them to make up thier own minds. and mayfieldk, if you dont like the layout of my posts, why bother to read them; they obviously have nothing in them that you dont disagree with anyway-- i am a busy working person and i only have time to do quick posts- i suggest you just ignore them , i 'm sure you do anyway. anyway, thats it, i'm through.