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    12-25-2009, 10:36 PM
  #21
Foal
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Originally Posted by AlmagroN    
im confused here. STBs arent supposed to be big, 15-16hh at the largest. And truthfully your pacers will look more like early STBs as they tend to be sleeker and longer legged. Early STBs more resembled TBs (though a tad bit heavier), as that's who they originated from (Messenger). Your trotters tend to be stockier and heavier than pacers, and sometimes shorter.
What are you on about? Im sorry but there is no specific height a STB has to be. Look At Delft he was around 17.2-3hh and a very succesful group one Trotter. And STB used to be heavier set horses and have been breed into lighter horses more recently... Maybe its the different parts of the world...
     
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    12-26-2009, 04:58 PM
  #22
Yearling
Yeah trotters can be tough. We have one that is really hard to keep flat, really really hard. We have 2 others that are wonderful. One is 3 and has never made a break but once in his life when there was confusion in a race and he ran over someones wheel. He's going to be a really nice horse, he's made money for us and we havent really had to ever push him in a race to go. The other trotter we claimed, had had 4 quarter cracks, one in each foot. They were so bad they were causing wall separation and they were infected. We got him fixed up and he hasnt missed but 1 check and we scoped him after the race and he was pretty sick.
     
    12-26-2009, 07:48 PM
  #23
Foal
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Originally Posted by AlmagroN    
yeah trotters can be tough. We have one that is really hard to keep flat, really really hard. We have 2 others that are wonderful. One is 3 and has never made a break but once in his life when there was confusion in a race and he ran over someones wheel. He's going to be a really nice horse, he's made money for us and we havent really had to ever push him in a race to go. The other trotter we claimed, had had 4 quarter cracks, one in each foot. They were so bad they were causing wall separation and they were infected. We got him fixed up and he hasnt missed but 1 check and we scoped him after the race and he was pretty sick.
I hear ya on the trotters! We have one that will just make a break for the heck of it!!!! We did however come to the conclusion he has EPM .. however the stupid trainer neglects to do anything about it and then WONDER why he's galloping around for a mile lol!
     
    12-26-2009, 10:43 PM
  #24
Weanling
I have only drivin a Standered bred. Wow are they fast! Lol
     
    12-27-2009, 05:01 AM
  #25
Foal
Ah yea one we had that's just left had some talent, But she had no manners and yea she just break for no reason, But when on the occasion she had a good run she could do well, won a couple of breeders crown heats as a 3yo and a few other easy wins (her last start she won by like 12L before she went to a new trainer). Those are the most frustrating horses because you know they have it in them!
     
    12-29-2009, 06:57 PM
  #26
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Sea To Sky    
Ah yea one we had that's just left had some talent, But she had no manners and yea she just break for no reason, But when on the occasion she had a good run she could do well, won a couple of breeders crown heats as a 3yo and a few other easy wins (her last start she won by like 12L before she went to a new trainer). Those are the most frustrating horses because you know they have it in them!
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Originally Posted by KristinJ    
I hear ya on the trotters! We have one that will just make a break for the heck of it!!!! We did however come to the conclusion he has EPM .. however the stupid trainer neglects to do anything about it and then WONDER why he's galloping around for a mile lol!

I don't believe horses ever make a break for the heck of it... theres something there that you are missing. They will maybe stop or try to pull up because they don't feel like racing, but there are many other things they would choose to do than make a break in a race "for the heck of it". As far as the EPM, if you don't take care of it, you will have nothing of a horse.... I hate when people wont fix a problem....
     
    12-29-2009, 07:11 PM
  #27
Foal
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Originally Posted by AlmagroN    
i don't believe horses ever make a break for the heck of it... theres something there that you are missing. They will maybe stop or try to pull up because they don't feel like racing, but there are many other things they would choose to do than make a break in a race "for the heck of it". As far as the EPM, if you don't take care of it, you will have nothing of a horse.... I hate when people wont fix a problem....
Go away if your only here to pick fights and stop acting like you know better than anyone im getting sick of you arguing with what everyone says. This isnt a crit post.
A) There is no way you can prove that some horses just break because they feel like it or just don't like the pressure (which theres not alot you can do about it)
B) These horses I am takling about are trained by one of the best trainers in the southern hemisphere who has got many horses trotting and winning group ones that have previously been given up on so there is no way you have the right to go throwing accusations about not trying to fix problems, and not caring about the horse.
     
    12-30-2009, 12:45 PM
  #28
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Sea To Sky    
Go away if your only here to pick fights and stop acting like you know better than anyone im getting sick of you arguing with what everyone says. This isnt a crit post.
A) There is no way you can prove that some horses just break because they feel like it or just don't like the pressure (which theres not alot you can do about it)
B) These horses I am takling about are trained by one of the best trainers in the southern hemisphere who has got many horses trotting and winning group ones that have previously been given up on so there is no way you have the right to go throwing accusations about not trying to fix problems, and not caring about the horse.
um excuse me, you need to read posts and UNDERSTAND them before you start telling people to "go away".
First off you just said there is no way you can prove that someones horses break just because they feel like it- WHICH IS WHAT I SAID. Its my OPINION that horses DO NOT break for the heck of it, and just because you work for a trainer, does not mean you know everything. Try actually training horses, its much different than being a groom.....
And what I said about people not fixing problems was IN AGREEMENT with KristenJ about a horse who has EMP but the trainer is doing nothing about it.

A forum is not somewhere you need to be if you just want to hear people agree with everything you say.
     
    12-30-2009, 12:47 PM
  #29
Yearling
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Originally Posted by AlmagroN    
um excuse me, you need to read posts and UNDERSTAND them before you start telling people to "go away".
First off you just said there is no way you can prove that someones horses break just because they feel like it- WHICH IS WHAT I SAID. Its my OPINION that horses DO NOT break for the heck of it, and just because you work for a trainer, does not mean you know everything. Try actually training horses, its much different than being a groom.....
And what I said about people not fixing problems was IN AGREEMENT with KristenJ about a horse who has EMP but the trainer is doing nothing about it.

A forum is not somewhere you need to be if you just want to hear people agree with everything you say.
sorry we arent all sitting here bragging about who we work for like it makes us special... so far the only thing you seem to know is popular horses and the trainer you work for. You seem to know nothing about the history of the breed or racing itself.
     
    12-30-2009, 12:49 PM
  #30
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Sea To Sky    
What are you on about? Im sorry but there is no specific height a STB has to be. Look At Delft he was around 17.2-3hh and a very succesful group one Trotter. And STB used to be heavier set horses and have been breed into lighter horses more recently... Maybe its the different parts of the world...
STBs height is 15-16hh im not saying that they can't be taller or shorter, im saying THIS IS BREED STANDARD. And no, STBs were NOT heavier. They were built like TBs of which they originated from. And STBs are being bred heavier now for more power, not lighter.
     

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