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  • Hip breeching horse harness

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    10-07-2012, 05:42 PM
I did put saddle oil on it and it will probably get better with use. I also posted pictures of my saddle on the saddle thread and of my breast collar on that thread. Please tell me what you think.
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    10-07-2012, 10:19 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by G8tdh0rse    
Here is my breeching. The harness is new and stiff. What can I do to make it fit as it should?
The thing I am most concerned about is where your hip strap crosses over your back stap. It seems there is no place where this happens that the hip strap cannot move around. It seems yours can move around and God forbid compleatly come apart from the back strap, It looks llike the only thing holding the hip strap in place is the end of the back strap in the keepers. This could be catastrophic if it comes undone, the breeching would fail totally and the cart would run up on your pony.

Okay, how do we fix it? First is it true that this is the way your harness is constructed or am I seeing it wrong?
I will try and take a photo of mine as a close up and see how it is constructed, maybe you can add a piece to yours to make it work. Maybe take it to an amish person or a good cobbler in your area.

The other thing is how long is your breeching seat? Can you measure it in inches and I will see how long it is compared to my horse size. It looks very big.

First adjustment I would make is to tighten the back strap so that is snug from saddle to crupper and the crupper hanges about, for a pony, one to one and a half inches under the tail. When you do this try and adjust it so that the place where the hipstrap crosses over is at the top of the croup of your horse. Then cross the hip strap over and put the breeching on, then lets see a photo again. More adjustments will most likely be needed again.

Always put your leather billets in their keepers, this will make sure you don't forget when you are in a hurry and it will keep your keepers pliable and they won't become too small to accept the billets.
    10-08-2012, 04:49 PM
Actually I've seen quite a few of these types and I think they are pretty common, at least where I am. I personally have a couple of harnesses where the entire rear rigging just lays across my horse's rump thru the crupper rigging like that. I'm sure that it has alot to do with who made the harness and the quality and such - my two harness are very decent harnesses and weren't the cheapest on the block, but not $1K either.

Mine have never given me trouble or tried to come apart and one thing I have noticed is that it actually works a bit like the singletree's movement to help keep friction off the shoulders - the rear strap can move with the movement of the hips separately just a little from the crupper rigging and it helps avoid the friction buildup on the horse's hide - we've noticed this on all day trail rides where the horses stay in harness off and on all day for 6 hours or more. Just my experience to share.
    10-08-2012, 06:42 PM
Green Broke
I'm going to check it out, as I have said I am no expert and I can only go by the harnesses I have seen. I hope to check out lots of harnesses at the national drive. They have a safety check before you can go out on the trails, I might just hang out there for a bit.

My hip strap where it crosses the back strap does move back and forth, when I sit in the cart, I center the hip strap if it is uneven, from the cart. Mine has a piece of leather sewn to make a "pocket" where the hip strap crosses and cannot get out of that "pocket"
    10-08-2012, 06:55 PM
I like that 'pocket' that I see on yours - I agree that it is better.
    10-08-2012, 07:54 PM
I have no pocket in the backstrap, my breeching strap just fits under the backstrap between two sets of two keepers. I will measure the part of the breeching that goes around the butt of the horse, Taffy? You are not concerned about the length of the straps over the croup, right?
    10-08-2012, 08:47 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by G8tdh0rse    
I have no pocket in the backstrap, my breeching strap just fits under the backstrap between two sets of two keepers. I will measure the part of the breeching that goes around the butt of the horse, Taffy? You are not concerned about the length of the straps over the croup, right?
The hip straps look fine, plenty of leather for lengthening and plenty of room to punch more holes to make shorter.

See how long your breeching is? If the breeching were level it looks like it would go past her flanks, and that might keep the breeching hold back straps from functioning properly. Hopefully just some adjustment will correct this.
    10-09-2012, 09:15 AM
G8td, I wonder if pony size breeching would fit your pony better? My 1/2 welsh uses a mix of cob and horse sized harness because the breeching was too big on the original harness I ordered him. Just a thought -

Hey if anyone knows of a good harness working shop, let me know. I don't mind sending my stuff off somewhere if the workmanship is reputable and others have had good results. I have enough strap work needing fixing to keep a shop busy for a month! The saddle repair shops around me won't touch it -they admit that they don't know enough about harness and don't want to take a chance on messing anything up. I live in an area full of western pleasure riders - unless it's swarovski crystals or nailhead or leather tooling, I'm out of luck!
    10-11-2012, 09:09 AM
Clippityclop I know of a very reputable harness shop. Lasalle Harness in Rhode Island. A bit far from TX, but I have had saddles repaired there and they are amazing. Of course they specialize in harnesses. Here is their website. LaSalle Harness
    10-11-2012, 02:08 PM
Thank you! I'll visit their site and check them out. I myself found a great boot repair shop for fixing tall boots and paddock boots- don't know that this belongs here, but I'll throw it out there anyway - they replaced the zippers in my field boots, polished and shined them and sent them back to me better than new - Pisano and Sons Pisano & Son - Pisano & Son I can vouch for their workmanship on boots. I mean - everyone needs a decent pair of boots for driving, right? LOL!

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