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post #21 of 29 Old 10-16-2012, 06:58 PM Thread Starter
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This beautiful boy is pulling a marathon vehicle witch has disc breaks on it.
This rig also passed the safety check.
As I have said before I am being very critical of harnessing for this thread.

I would raise the breeching at least one hole possibly two. The breast collar and the saddle look very well adjusted.

The horse looks put to the vehicle very nicely, not sloppy at all.
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Done for now just lost 3 posts , I want to throw computer against the wall now.
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Originally Posted by clippityclop View Post
^^^This is what happens to me with new harnesses - they never make one that fits the horse I need to fit - the saddle might fit right, but the breeching is way too big for my horse's rear or vice versa....

I hang mine, I lay it on a barrel (as if it was on a horse) and sometimes I put it in a bag and it still never holds its shape - my fault mostly - I don't mess with it enough to keep it supple. I drive in spurts - sometimes every week, sometimes not for months.
Part of the problem is the quality. When you get into the nicer harness' they fit better, have more adjustments and are more supple.
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This mini donkey passed the safety check.

This little guy doesnít have breeching at all, but has thimbles. Thimbles are little cups on the end of the shafts that stop the shafts from advancing when the equine stops. Here they are attached to the turrets on the saddle, I donít think that is correct, I believe they should be connected to the saddle itself, I donít think the turrets are strong enough, but I am not sure.

This cart also has tug stops, explained in link below. If you look at the tug stops on this rig the protrusions on the tug stops are in front of the shaft tugs, this does nothing to stop the cart. If the animal stops the protrusions on the tug stop need to be behind the shaft tugs to be able to stop the cart.

This thimble tug stop combo is usually used on fine harness horses in a ring, Hackney ponies, Roadster ponies, Saddlebreads etc. Or in this case very small minis. I would not recommend it for any cross country driving at all.

This little guy is also using an over check, where this may have some purpose as a training aid, it needs to be removed or at least loosened as soon as possible. Use a side check if a check rein must be used.

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This draft is harnessed beautifully.
He is not sloppy in the shafts at all.
The harness fits well, the breeching is at a good height, and the breast collar is good. The shafts don't follow exactly the traces but if you went down one hole they would be too low, better too high than too low.

If there was a criticism, again I am being very critical, I prefer a full noseband, and the throatlatch looks too tight.

I would try to find a heavier harness, just for looks on such a big horse. Again, "use what you have till you get what you want"

He was a gorgeous horse.
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Thanks so much for this, I am totally new to driving, I am working with my mini on it! I don't know much about the hook-up, so Thanks again!
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This breeching is a bit low, I would raise it one hole maybe two, you want the breeching about 4-5 inches below the point of the rump, less for minis.
The hip straps are in perfect position at the top of the croup, not always possible with all harnesses or horses, but it needs to be as close as possible.
The shafts are well behind the point of the shoulder, and when in draft as he is now the breeching is not loose or droopy behind. The breast collar looks good. The horse is not sloppy in the shafts at all.
The crupper looks loose, see how you can see a lot of daylight under the tail, but above the crupper, but, Arabs can be deceiving in this area because of their high tail carriage.
The saddle looks a bit too far forward, see how the top of the saddle is tilting backwards and the bottom is tilting forwards and it looks a bit up on the withers, but it also cold be the fact that the Arab has a round barrel, and it is put on that that way to avoid the boys belly.

Again I am being overly critical for informational purposes, if I saw this horse harnessed, which I did, I would not look twice at it, in regards to improper harnessing. Pilgrims photo is coming up soon, so I can critique his harnessing mistakes.
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This is what I mean by sloppy in the shafts.
I was trying this vehicle out to possibly buy one like it. I took a lesson right before this photo was taken. My harness was not set up for this type of vehicle and I was not sure how to hook it up, so I hired a professional to hook up and give "P" his first drive in a marathon vehicle. Well we were not hooked as well as I would have liked in hindsight, but we would have passed the safty inspection.

What is stopping the vehicle is it the breeching or the shaft tugs? The shaft tugs are not meant to have that kind of forward pull, they are meant to have downward pressure, and look at the traces they are so droopy I am embarassed, not really, but they are way too loose. I should be using something called trace carriers that come from the end ring of the breecing and carry the traces so they do not droop so bad when using a vehicle with a low singletree. Even with brakes on a vehicle, this, I feel is too sloppy.

So when I mention sloppy in the shafts remember this photo!

Zilco trace carrier from Advanced Equine Products
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I should say how I would correct the above harness job.

#1 I feel the horse is plenty close to the vehicle so shortening the traces I would not do, yet.

#2 I would tighten the breeching by one or two holes or one wrap, will get into that when we harness thread, but anyhow needs to be tightened.

#3 Defiantly get trace carriers, way too dangerous now, could get a leg over the trace, bad idea.

#4 If all that fails try shortening the trace one hole.
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