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  • What is a overgirth in harness driving

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    09-27-2012, 01:34 PM
  #11
Foal
While you are trying to be helpful, can you PLEASE use the correct terms for the harness parts?? There actually is no "bellyband" to be found on a harness!! There is a girth and an overgirth, that lay on the stomach. Or in the case of your appropriated article, a saddle girth and an outergirth.

Misnaming the parts of harness or making them up, leads to huge confusion in trying to discuss harness, parts to adjust or change, ordering new parts that fit!! You have a perfectly labeled illustration, but don't use the terms shown on it!

It is SO MUCH EASIER to discuss harness, harness fit, if everyone is speaking the same language, in using the same terms naming the parts of the harness.
     
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    09-27-2012, 06:58 PM
  #12
Weanling
Maybe a descriptive name and the official name. As a beginner, I have no idea what the overgirth is. I do know what part the belly band is.
     
    09-27-2012, 07:34 PM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by G8tdh0rse    
Maybe a descriptive name and the official name. As a beginner, I have no idea what the overgirth is. I do know what part the belly band is.
Well, referring to her labeled illustration, please find what you think is the bellyband, and give me what the labeled name is. With choices I can guess, yet it is real easy to guess wrong on a part, thus adding greatly to the confusion when you ask for help or try to tell someone you have a problem with parts.
     
    09-27-2012, 10:27 PM
  #14
Yearling
This is awesome! If you get all the pictures up of all the different parts it should be a sticky so we can all learn how to harness up a horse without having to go searching through posts :p
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    09-27-2012, 11:49 PM
  #15
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by goodhors    
While you are trying to be helpful, can you PLEASE use the correct terms for the harness parts?? There actually is no "bellyband" to be found on a harness!! There is a girth and an overgirth, that lay on the stomach. Or in the case of your appropriated article, a saddle girth and an outergirth.

Misnaming the parts of harness or making them up, leads to huge confusion in trying to discuss harness, parts to adjust or change, ordering new parts that fit!! You have a perfectly labeled illustration, but don't use the terms shown on it!

It is SO MUCH EASIER to discuss harness, harness fit, if everyone is speaking the same language, in using the same terms naming the parts of the harness.
Wow nice post.
I particularly like the part where "I am trying to help",
OH and "making up names".

Unfortunatly we all come from different areas of the country or world.
There are several references to "belly bands" in some great books, Driving A Harness Horse, by Sallie Walrond. Page 17 illistration and all. That is just the first one I picked up. Great book BTW.
Just because you have never heard of a belly band does not mean it is not called that in other parts of the world.
Try googling harness belly band.

I liken it to my identification classes in horticilture.
You have your botanical names, then you have your common names and there could be fifty different common names for the same tree all over the world.
So we had better know the latin, (botanical) names.
Unfortunatly there are no Latin names when refering to harness parts.

Kind of like the difference between reins and lines, blinkers, winkers and blinders, rugs and blankets, saddle pads and nimphas?, trailers and floats, heck even a girth and an over girth and a saddle girth and an outer girth. Which is right and which is wrong?

Maybe part of learning the parts of the harness is realizing that there could be, and likely are, several names for each harness part.

Welcome to the real world we don't all speak the same language.
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    09-28-2012, 09:53 AM
  #16
Weanling
I think Taffy is doing a fine job. I really appreciate her taking the time with the detailed explanations and wonderful pictures.
     
    09-28-2012, 03:31 PM
  #17
Foal
The unfortunate part comes when you use an illustration, and then proceed to post using different terms a new Driving person can't find on the illustration. They have to guess what you are talking about. Easy to guess wrong. Belly part of the name, gives them a clue, but with a couple parts to choose from, they are left hanging as you continue with your photos. They would probably be totally lost if you were talking tugs, since there are at least two kinds on a neck collar harness.

Oh wait, you can just give tugs a NEW name, so they NEVER will understand the post!

Yes, things come with various names for the same item on harness. Horticulture is a good example, because those common names are the devil for trying to ID a specific plant, tree or shrub. Latin is your common denominator to find the particular one you want, because latin stays the same regardless of who is selling the plant.

So back to CORRECT names for harness. Maybe you could add some of the "local" names to what the illustration you use, names for the specific part. Then reader can have a clue about what you are speaking of in harness parts. Just because a name is in a book, doesn't make it a correct term for everyone. You were not using illustrations from THAT book, with THAT term for the harness part so reader could put things together.

I have always found it best if Driving folks learn the correct names for parts on harness, vehicles from the beginning, so they can correctly discuss Driving things with other Driving folks. Going with a lot of local names, makes you sound ignorant in a discussion, often having to explain the term you use to the other person, so you BOTH understand what is being talked about. I would never use the term "shaves" in talking to Carriage Driving folks, they wouldn't know it means shafts to a buggy. My Grandfather used that term, but I don't hear it from any other Driving folks except VERY old Midwest Farmers. I had to relearn a LOT of harness names as we got deeper into Carriage Driving, because people didn't use those local names in other places, couldn't even GUESS what I was talking about! Who wants to sound ignorant? I changed the terms I used to the most common, correct Driving names, for easier discussions.

If you learn and use the more correct terms of harness, vehicles, they are going to stick better for discussions about Driving. Hard to relearn the common name from a unique local term in your head. Girth is more common than bellyband, since girths are found on all saddles, riding or driven, as an example. So using saddle girth, harness girth, overgirth, the horsey reader should more easily understand that any of them goes on the belly of the horse.


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Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    
Wow nice post.
I particularly like the part where "I am trying to help",
OH and "making up names".

Unfortunatly we all come from different areas of the country or world.
There are several references to "belly bands" in some great books, Driving A Harness Horse, by Sallie Walrond. Page 17 illistration and all. That is just the first one I picked up. Great book BTW.
Just because you have never heard of a belly band does not mean it is not called that in other parts of the world.
Try googling harness belly band.

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    09-28-2012, 07:05 PM
  #18
Weanling
Goodhors--I'm a newcomer to driving and I am doing fine with Taffy's names and descriptions. You are trying to make a big thing out of nothing and ruin a fine thread on harness. Of you do not like the way Taffy is doing it, then don't read it.
     
    09-30-2012, 09:45 PM
  #19
Green Broke
Goodhore, you are a bore, been over this before.

As far as again refering to the CORRECT names of harness parts, no one name is correct there are names of parts of the harness from different regions, HELLO, like common names.

I do not assume that readers here are so stupid that they cannot figure out what I am talking about. Of coure if any one had asked for clarification, besides someone like you trying to start an argument, I would have been happy to explain. But you just jumped it with your accusations and attitude, trying to show... I do not know what... show off?

I am sorry if you are ignorant, but I knew exactly what shaves were.
Maybe because I am not so pompass as to think that only what I call something, is the correct name, because I listen and learn from everyone. You won't get far in life insisting that others are wrong and must conform to your way of thinking and speaking, I am sure wars have been fought over just such thinking.
You are just not even worth my time to talk to, get over yourself and get that burr out from where ever it is, and get a life.

I bought a used Smuckers Delux harness this weekend at the American Driving Society meeting in WI. The woman selling it, who was an upper level competitor, was very happy to tell me that the harness came with two bellybands of different sizes so it will fit a smaller horse. I had to smile to myself.

To everyone else, sorry about this digression, I have lots more photos, I will post tomorrow.
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    10-01-2012, 12:50 AM
  #20
Yearling
I look forward to the other pictures! While you put it rather bluntly, I agree- there are many different names for each piece, and I think we can all figure out what a belly band is. I hope to get a driving harness some day that will fit Clem and for a reasonable price. (Hah... finding tack smaller than draft and bigger than horse is next to impossible, it seems.) Really, I wish I knew someone with a harness so I could try it out and know if it's something I'd like to pursue :p Aah, well. We can't all have what we want.
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