i'm sure everyone knows by now that i dont approve of breaking them to drive before 2 & 1/2. almagon ; the reason jimmy got the reply he got from me is 1) in that post he is stating that that is the way he does it, he is not at this time advising everyone to do it. 2) he has always stated how he does it, but he does not then continue by telling everyone else that they know nothing, because they have not won a harness race. he simply states that he sees nothing wrong with it, which he knows i dont agree with. 3) the facts and risks of breaking at so young an age have been thoroughly discussed, any one can read them, some of us are weary of repeating ourself. 4) jimmy is not going to admit to changing his methods but he does come across as friendly, having an open mind, and an original sense of humour, and does not come across as aggressive and arrogant. need i say more?