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post #41 of 50 Old 11-20-2009, 02:40 PM
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Well Jimmy its like I say, I feel sorry for any yearling that ends up with an owner who thinks it acceptable for it to be broken to drive. And as an adult on a public forum I can voice my opinion without being told lets not get into this when it was part of the question being asked by the OP.
of course you are fjord and I,m not saying your wrong but I don,t think I am wrong either I don't want to really get in to it because look at the fallout the last similar thread caused,i gave advice in favour of whats worked for me you give advice on what works for you and then its up to the op what they do is,ent that fair enough
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post #42 of 50 Old 11-20-2009, 04:51 PM
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My BO will start his Canadiens by long lining them with a surcingle. He usually starts at around two two-and-a-half years. He ground-drives them into the ground so they are perfect with steering. He takes them on the road, the trails, into the ring. When they're experts with that he'll put them in a harness.

When they're around three he'll hook them up to a stoneboat increasing the weight over time. Then he starts on a small bike or sled, depending on the season, by then the horse is a pretty dang reliable and well turned driving horse. His methods take a wile, but they are very thorough.
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post #43 of 50 Old 11-21-2009, 03:46 AM
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i'm sure everyone knows by now that I don't approve of breaking them to drive before 2 & 1/2. Almagon ; the reason jimmy got the reply he got from me is 1) in that post he is stating that that is the way he does it, he is not at this time advising everyone to do it. 2) he has always stated how he does it, but he does not then continue by telling everyone else that they know nothing, because they have not won a harness race. He simply states that he sees nothing wrong with it, which he knows I don't agree with. 3) the facts and risks of breaking at so young an age have been thoroughly discussed, any one can read them, some of us are weary of repeating ourself. 4) jimmy is not going to admit to changing his methods but he does come across as friendly, having an open mind, and an original sense of humour, and does not come across as aggressive and arrogant. Need I say more?
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post #44 of 50 Old 11-21-2009, 08:50 PM
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i'm sure everyone knows by now that I don't approve of breaking them to drive before 2 & 1/2. Almagon ; the reason jimmy got the reply he got from me is 1) in that post he is stating that that is the way he does it, he is not at this time advising everyone to do it. 2) he has always stated how he does it, but he does not then continue by telling everyone else that they know nothing, because they have not won a harness race. He simply states that he sees nothing wrong with it, which he knows I don't agree with. 3) the facts and risks of breaking at so young an age have been thoroughly discussed, any one can read them, some of us are weary of repeating ourself. 4) jimmy is not going to admit to changing his methods but he does come across as friendly, having an open mind, and an original sense of humour, and does not come across as aggressive and arrogant. Need I say more?
when did I ever tell anyone they know nothing? I did. So you can stop with that. Just because I didnt agree with you doesnt mean I was saying you know nothing. I DID explain WHY we break as yearlings- because they start a racing career at 2. If I come across aggressive and arrogant, its because of the way people have said things to me. They werent very nice to begin with, so I feel no need to be so nice back. And also, I wanted to add I found your post that YOU said I posted that I hook up a horse all day long and leave them there, which I NEVER posted... jimmy did. So thanks for accusing me of something I don't do, and NEVER posted....
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post #45 of 50 Old 11-21-2009, 08:51 PM
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wen I put a horse in a cart the 1st day I tie it up allday attached to the cart and during the course of the day lift rock and push the cart against him so he gets used to the feel of everything especially the breeching
there it is. As you can see, it WASNT my post.

Anyway I wanted to appoligize for getting off topic there. But I get tired of being flamed for how I do things. Anyway, like I stated- I see no problem with breaking as yearlings, and I stick with it.

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post #46 of 50 Old 11-22-2009, 04:54 AM
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you say " when did I say I told anyone they know nothing" you then continue with "i did" yes, you did!! Jimmy did say that he tied his to a cart all day, but he didnt mention putting stones in it and going back to move them around periodically. I admit that I can't find that post which I am convinced that you wrote, but I will apologise if I did get muddled up in the flurry of posts last week. But the fact remains that I find you very agressive, so that is mutual. And I remind you that I exited the discussion on your dynamo jin thread last week, because I thought it was all going downhill into a bitchfest. The only reason it is back on this thread now is that YOU asked why jimmy gets a more pleasant response than you. Why don't we start an entire new thread for this issue; we could call it the "disagree and lets be childish " thread. That way we are not taking over other peoples threads, and people don't have to be bored reading it if they don't want to. And you can whine about my injustice at questioning your methods, as much as you want--- i'm up for it.
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post #47 of 50 Old 11-22-2009, 05:09 AM
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of course you are fjord and I,m not saying your wrong but I don,t think I am wrong either I don't want to really get in to it because look at the fallout the last similar thread caused,i gave advice in favour of whats worked for me you give advice on what works for you and then its up to the op what they do is,ent that fair enough
Shame horse welfare doesn't come into it when you are doing what works in your favour. And any advice that compromises animal welfare shouldn't be given.
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agreed!
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post #49 of 50 Old 11-22-2009, 05:46 AM
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sorry fjord dident realize you dictated who can say what,will watch my manners in future. When you write the book let me know cheers
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post #50 of 50 Old 11-22-2009, 06:46 AM
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This thread is going down hill and it seems all is said that needs to be said.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.


It's not always what you say but what they hear.
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