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        11-12-2012, 08:50 PM
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    O_O ^ agreed. I have been driving my four year old miniature horse mare for almost a year now, and she's been out to drive a total of 43 times now. I STILL haven't even BEGUN to ask her to canter yet, and really don't even ask her for more than a nice, even, rounded trot for more than a minute or two. I probably still wont ask her for a canter for another four or five months because I don't feel like she can handle it mentally (we're still working on flexation and driving off of her hind end, not her shoulders) and she doesnt have the right muscle yet for it physically. No way I would of cantered her TWO YEARS AGO. Heck, I hadn't even started ground driving her yet at that point!

    If your colt is only two years old and still doesnt respect you, I'm suprised he didn't kill you last night when you hooked him up. I'm on the side of your father, and wish that he wouldn't have bought you the cart. Your horse is a baby. I personally don't think that two year olds should even be hooked up to a cart, much less actually driven by someone, much less driven at a canter.

    I very much hope that you or your colt don't get hurt, but it you continue in this way it is inevitable at some point...
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        11-12-2012, 09:01 PM
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    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Endiku    
    O_O ^ agreed. I have been driving my four year old miniature horse mare for almost a year now, and she's been out to drive a total of 43 times now. I STILL haven't even BEGUN to ask her to canter yet, and really don't even ask her for more than a nice, even, rounded trot for more than a minute or two. I probably still wont ask her for a canter for another four or five months because I don't feel like she can handle it mentally (we're still working on flexation and driving off of her hind end, not her shoulders) and she doesnt have the right muscle yet for it physically. No way I would of cantered her TWO YEARS AGO. Heck, I hadn't even started ground driving her yet at that point!

    If your colt is only two years old and still doesnt respect you, I'm suprised he didn't kill you last night when you hooked him up. I'm on the side of your father, and wish that he wouldn't have bought you the cart. Your horse is a baby. I personally don't think that two year olds should even be hooked up to a cart, much less actually driven by someone, much less driven at a canter.

    I very much hope that you or your colt don't get hurt, but it you continue in this way it is inevitable at some point...
    I don't even believe it's the real post . At first they can't spell and then the last poster spelling was very good
         
        11-13-2012, 10:42 AM
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    That is true...well for their sake, I'm hoping you're right. >.>
         
        11-13-2012, 04:23 PM
      #14
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by churumbeque    
    I don't even believe it's the real post . At first they can't spell and then the last poster spelling was very good
    ok sorry typos, I did not see them till I posted it.
         
        11-13-2012, 04:32 PM
      #15
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Endiku    
    O_O ^ agreed. I have been driving my four year old miniature horse mare for almost a year now, and she's been out to drive a total of 43 times now. I STILL haven't even BEGUN to ask her to canter yet, and really don't even ask her for more than a nice, even, rounded trot for more than a minute or two. I probably still wont ask her for a canter for another four or five months because I don't feel like she can handle it mentally (we're still working on flexation and driving off of her hind end, not her shoulders) and she doesnt have the right muscle yet for it physically. No way I would of cantered her TWO YEARS AGO. Heck, I hadn't even started ground driving her yet at that point!

    If your colt is only two years old and still doesnt respect you, I'm suprised he didn't kill you last night when you hooked him up. I'm on the side of your father, and wish that he wouldn't have bought you the cart. Your horse is a baby. I personally don't think that two year olds should even be hooked up to a cart, much less actually driven by someone, much less driven at a canter.

    I very much hope that you or your colt don't get hurt, but it you continue in this way it is inevitable at some point...
    my horse is probably much bigger that your mare, remember? 10 hands? Since that picture he got a lot more musle. I built it by troting for about 100 yard at a time. Ans we have to hills, one is steeper than the other but the ohther on is longer. I built it by running up the hills and also jumping helped to. (when I did this he did not even have the harness on.) and also I did not canter him till the 3rd and last work out on the seaconed days. And when he did it was only for about 30 seconds. It was only about 200 feet. And I just got in ffrom working whith him and the cart, not one thing did he refuse to do. At the slightest command he did what was asked.
         
        11-13-2012, 05:41 PM
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    Muscle and height have nothing to do with it. My mare is 9 hh, not much smaller than yours. Your horse is still very much a baby at 2 years old and in comparison to the amount of muscle he will/should have as an adult, he has very litte.

    I'm not so worried about his muscles though, as I am worried about his BONES. Two year olds are not done growing, even if they aren't getting taller. Their knees haven't closed up, their hips aren't done growing, and their spine isn't closed either. Putting stress on them can cause a lot of problems and may make him lame at a later age.

    Honestly you really arent even supposed to jump them as two year olds. Again, bevcause of the bone.

    It doesnt matter if he behaved beautifully (by the way, I think you're very lucky that he responded well to you) when you took him out. What matters is the damage that you might be doing to him by moving so far with him, and what might happen because he has holes in his training. Horses are unpredictable, and even a 10hh colt can do a LOT of damage. Its great that he's listening to you but you have to realize that by asking him to do SO MUCH as a baby, you're shortening the time that he'll be able to work well for you.. You're also depriving him of 'baby time.' Two year olds are very much like preteen humans. Work them too hard too fast and you'll ruin their love for work and learning.

    I can't make you listen to me, but believe me. Letting him do fun baby things and enjoying him while he's young will make it so much better later on. Working him hard now though with cause bad habits, physical problems, and likely even mental problems.

    If you really want to drive him, hook him up and take a leisurely stroll. That probably won't hurt him too much, as long as you're careful. Work on how sensative he is to your aids, turning, backing up, etc. Also work on ground work and playing horsemanship 'games' with him. I guarentee that you'll have a much better horse in the long run.
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        11-13-2012, 06:04 PM
      #17
    Foal
    I smell a troll...
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        11-13-2012, 08:22 PM
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    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by charming    
    I smell a troll...
    And alas the poor spelling returns.
         
        11-17-2012, 03:38 PM
      #19
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Endiku    
    Muscle and height have nothing to do with it. My mare is 9 hh, not much smaller than yours. Your horse is still very much a baby at 2 years old and in comparison to the amount of muscle he will/should have as an adult, he has very little.

    I'm not so worried about his muscles though, as I am worried about his BONES. Two year olds are not done growing, even if they aren't getting taller. Their knees haven't closed up, their hips aren't done growing, and their spine isn't closed either. Putting stress on them can cause a lot of problems and may make him lame at a later age.

    Honestly you really arent even supposed to jump them as two year olds. Again, because of the bone.

    It doesn't matter if he behaved beautifully (by the way, I think you're very lucky that he responded well to you) when you took him out. What matters is the damage that you might be doing to him by moving so far with him, and what might happen because he has holes in his training. Horses are unpredictable, and even a 10hh colt can do a LOT of damage. Its great that he's listening to you but you have to realize that by asking him to do SO MUCH as a baby, you're shortening the time that he'll be able to work well for you.. You're also depriving him of 'baby time.' Two year olds are very much like preteen humans. Work them too hard too fast and you'll ruin their love for work and learning.

    I can't make you listen to me, but believe me. Letting him do fun baby things and enjoying him while he's young will make it so much better later on. Working him hard now though with cause bad habits, physical problems, and likely even mental problems.

    If you really want to drive him, hook him up and take a leisurely stroll. That probably won't hurt him too much, as long as you're careful. Work on how sensitive he is to your aids, turning, backing up, etc. Also work on ground work and playing horsemanship 'games' with him. I guarantee that you'll have a much better horse in the long run.
    I do this stuff with him all the time (I mean the games and letting him play and run.) and your acking like im sitting in the cart. I have not yet and I do not plan to for a while. The only thing we ever had in the cart was my friends 4 pound dog.
         
        11-24-2012, 02:26 PM
      #20
    Yearling
    ground work

    I think you need a bit of ground work to bring him on long line him and get him to listen to you.
    I think you gambled a bit weather he would bolt with you rule of thumb keep to a walk and a trot and when he has got all your comands and you can stop him with walk and woah and stand.
    If you was on a highway would worry at that stage at canter as you both need to jell to geather in trust also cantering on hard ground with a young horse will dammage his joints and tendons in the future.
    And also to take in acount as he is a 2 year old colt and he has still got to grow.
    With a stallion you need to keep at him and give him a lot of training so you have a well mannored stallion with impecable mannors if you don't and a mare is near all hell could brake lose.
    I use to drive tandem with vanessas mare and my gilding she was in the shafts as the wheeler and he was the leader there was loads of tracks in the forest here and I use to canter on the soft tracks.
    I have some pictures in my albms of them in the indoor school.
    Before thay were driven on the highway ground work was done in the indoor school just my voice was used no wips at all and that's were ground ground work pays off.
    The time was right and thay was working as a unit with no problems I decided thay were ready to go out in the wide world driveing in tandem.
    And thay were driven singleley as well and thay both had impecable mannors as well.
    Im going to be working on my new big horse soon I have been long lineing him as well and he has impecable mannors to and I wont settle for less we all know were we stand and dew to ground work we both understand each other and what is required as pony horse and human working togeather.
    And educateing each other.
         

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