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  • What holds the trace onto the sword type singletree
  • Hooking traces to singletree

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    03-12-2013, 09:00 PM
Finally, the picture came through!!

Good that you turned those shafts around! I would think you could get a leather person to make you some extenders for those to lower them.

Since you don't appear to have rein loops on the neckstrap of the breast collar, run the lines under the strap so they are contained, otherwise they could get hung on the shaft if he tosses his head.

Looks like fun!

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    03-12-2013, 10:35 PM
more harness fit pictures

I have gotten a pad for the saddle and breast collar off eBay. A nice red set that will pad the saddle and breast collar. I had not heard of trace extenders. I don't have pictures of those yet. Here are pictures of the single tree and traces and of how I did the britching to the shafts which is all wrong.
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    03-13-2013, 11:03 AM
It looks like someone has added length to the shafts when I look at the last picture with the bolts. I would undo that and take off the improprly bent ends and see what is underneath. It might be proper size with that addition removed. Then take care of the other harness issues that everyone has brought up.
    03-14-2013, 06:27 AM
tug lengths

If you have a harness maker near by maybe he could make you some back band extentions so you can lower the shafts so a buckled extention.
On your shafts I think as thay are pointing in I think thay are the wroung way round just looking at the picture.
As thay are pointing into your horse.
And well done with your turnout and with help and advice youll soon be driveing.
    03-14-2013, 07:01 AM
back band lengths

Green tree I did not see what you wrote about the extentions 2 minds think alike.
Crumblecure that's a good idear about the shafts sorry I thought the shafts were bolt on and could be rotated but I have seen the other picture now so I jumped the gun a little there.
Well the other thing you can get is a saddle pad to go under the saddle to eleviate preasure as to pack it out if need be thay are sold by zilco harnesses and thay are on e bay to.
As to the extention you can also incorparate a belly band as to stop the cart from tipping up as there could be a problem there and have him make a small loop on your girth for it to pass through it acts as a keeper and stops it slideing backwards.
    03-14-2013, 07:05 AM

See if thay both point inwards if thay do un bolt them and swap them around so thay point outwards it looks like some one has bent them for some reson I mite be wroung, I hope this helps.
    03-14-2013, 07:14 AM
I installed the shaft ends wrong. The tips are supposed to bend out and I put them on wrong but I have switched them now and they bend out. .The cart has two sets of shaft ends. One set is 60 inches and one is 72 for a bigger horse.
I did get a pad for the breast collar and saddle. I will see if I can find a saddle or harness maker to make some extensions for the straps to hold the shaft loops and maybe some tug extensions too. I am not sure about the one loop under the shaft. What goes in it. Is it for the breeching or the shaft oops and bellyband tie down straps. I am lost in this area. It is right under where the two bolts are in the last photo.
    03-14-2013, 08:24 AM
That is probably a "footmans loop". Your holdback (the strap that attaches to the breeching) goes through that loop to give it a solid hold. It looks like you have a "helper strap" there. I put a snap on the breeching end of that strap and leave it on the most used cart, which cuts my hitching time down.

The holdback should also go AROUND the shaft, as well as through the footmans loop.

I really should take some pictures for you, but I am here by myslf right now, so I don't have enough hands, sorry.

If you live close to KY, you are welcome to come over!!

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    03-14-2013, 10:02 AM
back band belly band

Hiya when I come back ill put up some pictures for you so you can understand.
Were your tug is on your shaft the new strap (extention) will come down and your new tug will fit there the strap will continue on and will stop at a point what ill ask what is the size of your pony and and check the length of your backband so we can work out the extention.
Were your girth is have a loop made on the girth it will be in the centure hanging down with a diameter of about 3 inchs which will allow a buckle to pass through 1/4 1/2 inch wide that's were the belly band will pass through.
The belly band has a buckle at each end with keepers so the extentions will buckle in and be held neatley in the keepers.
It will be a safty for you just in case your cart tips up unless theres a strap I have missed on your harness which goes back to the girth for anchorage.
    03-14-2013, 02:05 PM
Green Broke
It looks as if your harness is a bit small and your cart is a bit big for your pony, but hay we all use what we have till we get what we want right?

All posters gave great advice, but I am going to try and get you harnessed one step at a time in the order, I would adjust this harness.

First thing your horse is to far back in the shafts. Move him forward till the point of the shaft is at the point of the horses shoulder.


This will now make your traces too short. To extend the traces, I would go to the hardware store and get a length of chain. Get the chain that each link is an individual link and welded to close it upon itself, DO NOT get the chain where each link is linked to the next, so that if you cut one link it cuts the next link too, Do not get chain that is rated less that 500 pounds, this will most likely eliminate the chain you are not to get.

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Cut chain to the length needed to make your traces long enough.
Looks like maybe 6-7 inches. Now you need to connect the chain to the end of your traces, you can use a few things, I like something called a Quick link best.

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Make sure the link is closed at all times when driving.
Here are a few more connectors you can use.

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After you have connected the chain to your traces take the appropriate link at the end of the traces and attach it to the cart singletree.

This is very important, with using metal on metal at the single tree, tape the two together using electrical tape.

This makes sure the link of the chain will not slip off the single tree. I actually do this on all my vehicles, every time I drive. I once was driving the Clyde with chains on the end of his traces and looked down to see we were dragging a trace, made my heart skip a beat. What saved us was the pieces of leather that go around the singletree and the cross bar of the cart, keeping the two together. It is hard to tell what kind of singletree ends you have on your cart. This quick fix will work if you have hook ends. IT WILL NOT WORK IF YOU HAVE SWORD ENDS ON YOUR SINGLETREE, too much chance of the chain slipping off the singletree. It looks like yours has hooks.

Just a few wraps of tape will work, you do not want to wrap it so many times you cannot get it off in an emergency. I wrap about 3 times and fold the loose end of the tape in half so it is easy to find and grip.


Here is a photo of the leather straps that keep the singletree and the crossbar together.


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