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post #11 of 32 Old 01-08-2010, 04:51 PM
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the pipe is not for weight it is for her to get used to the feel of something stiff along her sides and bumping her. I highly reccomend this step, I used some closet poles I had. If it falls who cares let it scare her. That is the whole purpose is to work out the kinks before you hitch a cart. I am sure there will be more scary things than a pipe falling. Also drop the pipe next to her and get her used to the noise. I think a tarp on her would be more scary. Get some long lines at least 30 feet and longline her. The reins should be low while training and not up on a higher ring except when pulling something. I found that in line driving I couldn't walk fast enough so my horse was not taking as long as stride and longlining my speed didn't matter and I could get her to do figure 8's and trot, walk and woe by voice. I also had a drag made but not nesseccary but it was inexpensive to do and I can trot while longlining and watch her pull it and it does make her work more. In the cart I have not trotted yet for safety as she has only been hitched 3 times and I am usually alone..So the drag has come in handy for me
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the pipe is not for weight it is for her to get used to the feel of something stiff along her sides and bumping her. I highly reccomend this step, I used some closet poles I had. If it falls who cares let it scare her. That is the whole purpose is to work out the kinks before you hitch a cart. I am sure there will be more scary things than a pipe falling. Also drop the pipe next to her and get her used to the noise. I think a tarp on her would be more scary. Get some long lines at least 30 feet and longline her. The reins should be low while training and not up on a higher ring except when pulling something. I found that in line driving I couldn't walk fast enough so my horse was not taking as long as stride and longlining my speed didn't matter and I could get her to do figure 8's and trot, walk and woe by voice. I also had a drag made but not nesseccary but it was inexpensive to do and I can trot while longlining and watch her pull it and it does make her work more. In the cart I have not trotted yet for safety as she has only been hitched 3 times and I am usually alone..So the drag has come in handy for me
Thank you for your advise! I actually had extra hands today so I practised some long reining while my best friend pulled a car tire on a lunge line behind her horse. I warmed Eve up, made sure she was listening and doing everything I asked, which she was, then we just continued while my best friend walked back and forth around us so Eve could see the other horse pulling it without a fuss. After about 15-20 minutes of this, Eve was barely even looking at the tire as it passed both coming at us and going past us the same direction we were going. So my best friend put her mare away and came out to help me...

I had my reins through the lowest holes on my cercingle, looped the lungeline with the tire attached through the top. Put the tire to the inside and my best friend on the outside holding it taught so that Eve was pulling the weight of the tire, but it was easy as pie to let go and be free of the tire if needed. Eve didn't bat an eyelash. Just plodded along, whoa-ed when I asked, turned around nice and tight to do the same in the other direction. So we changed the tire around so it was on the inside again and went the other way...only time she moved away from it was when my best friend was dragging it up beside her again to hitch it to the other side. Even then it was 2 steps sideways, a good look, and a "oh, that thing again".

I can't express how proud I am of her. I know we still have a long way to go, and I'm glad someone else agrees with me that something like a PVC pipe is an ok thing to use, because I think I'll have more issues with something bumping her side than the weight of what she's dragging. Her TB side makes her hypersensative to touch, which is really nice when I need her to get over, but I think it may take a little more work with regards to shafts on a cart. I'll see about dropping some logs behind/around her tomorrow and see what she does. I don't think that'll phase her in the least though...LOL!

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Do you have a harness? She really should be pulling the weight against her chest. By your post it sounds as though you may have had the tire attached to the suricingle but not sure.
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My car tire (without the rim of course) weighs about 10 pounds. It's meant for my NEON. We were pulling it around beforehand...my best friend was riding her horse bareback while she was helping me get Eve used to it and she was hauling it around by her hand!

Like I said before - I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars on a harness before I've done the desensatizing work to know she's going to take to it. So yes, I slipped a lungeline through the cercingle to make her drag 10 pounds around for roughly 10 minutes.

Don't get me wrong, when I upgrade to something that weighs more than 10 pounds and plan to work her longer than 10 minutes with it, I'll looking into a proper harness, but for what I'm doing, I don't see it as necessary. Once I'm thinking about dragging a pallet or whatnot, I'll be thinking of how it affects her, but thank you for youir concern.

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you could use some old car seatbelts to make a temporary breast collar
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i also have some spare buxtons if you would(breast collar) want a cheap one
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Well I have numerous pieces of equipment that I could use to fashion a make shift harness, and I will once I'm asking her to haul something more than 10 pounds around...but it's literally JUST the rubber off my tiny car tire. If it was too much for the cercingle, it would have moved or slipped in some way, at which point I'll rig it up better. This was literally just to get her used to something being dragged behind her, not to actually pull anything of substance around.

On the bright side, I had her in the round pen and was dropping a small log on the ground all around her and she really didn't seem to care. Behind, beside - didn't matter. It was a log and didn't require her full attention so I think she'll do ok with that part. Rode her today too, but I'll make a post in Training about that... :)

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Don't want to beat a dead horse just would like to help if I can. I realize 10 pds does not sound like much but a suricingle even with just using the riens is designed to put pressure and help cue the horse. So 10 pds of pressure on 1 little point is alot. With the weight on her breast she will learn more of the leaning into it and head position lower while I am thinking with pressure on her back may make her hollow out and head higher. Not sure just makes sense to me.
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i think she really should have a breast collar, so she learns to pull into it.there shouldnt be any weight on her back at all, and when you get to fitting the cart it must be balanced so there is no weight in that area. therefore, not really much point in attatching anything to the surcingle. and the "shafts" as mentioned before, should be wood. yes she needs to feel themalong her sides, and learn how to turn with them, but if plastic piping breaks breaks, you could end up with a stabbed horse. almagron N; agree about the difference in terminology between uk ans usa, ie. the wheel, but i use a wheel, meaning the entire metal center with the rubber tyre included. just the rubber trye is not heavy enough, and get scaught up to easily in rough ground, or turning over. so i use a entire wheel or a one half railway sleeper....also jimmy has given a good suggestion ie using an old seat belt to make a breast collar, if you dont want to buy one, but i would pad it out, very carefully to prevent rubbing, and also get the real thing as quick as you can; synthetic are cheaply bought,or buy secondhand.
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