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post #21 of 29 Old 06-07-2013, 01:17 AM
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seeing over the horses butt.

i have enjoyed reading all your strings.
i must admit i have had that with quincy in my troting sulky lol and had to lean side ways to see were i was going lol.
but with nancys 2 wheeler and my exercise waggonett from that box seat its fine.
greentree i could not stop laughing about you laping people i did that on the road drive at waltham abby were i am i over took them in the out side lane i just ask and he knoches up the power so i asked him to pace he floats along at a good speed.
we left quite a few turnouts behind and some people gave us looks as if to kill.
i still laugh now i am at the moment rembering when we did that.
endiku many thanks for your video.
i cant for the life of me understand why the horses have there heads down in draft.
and like green tree said you would think some one would be droped off the back.
i know my sulky is a bit small for quincy but i did not sit at a bad angle like that.
well the real funny side is quincys not complyant with the clean air act.
thats when he farts lol with the sulky at that levle you turn a bit green.
the bits i use are liverpool bits for tricky and quincy.
and for tricky and tammy as a pair i have buxtons and also liverpool bits.
i also have a half moon wilson with twin rings as well.
quincy came with a jointed butterfly bit.
ill have to go to my house and get them and take pictures of them and show you.
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post #22 of 29 Old 06-07-2013, 12:55 PM
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well the real funny side is quincys not complyant with the clean air act.
thats when he farts lol with the sulky at that levle you turn a bit green.

LOL. thanks for making me spit our my soda!
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post #23 of 29 Old 06-07-2013, 03:39 PM Thread Starter
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right now I'm debating between the french link liverpool & the mullen mouth liverpool. I have a jointed o-ring & he hates it

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post #24 of 29 Old 06-21-2013, 04:00 PM
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I have always used a liverpool bit on the horse that I drive, but I will say that I have one mare that always puts her tongue over the bit when I use the mullen mouth liverpool, so I am looking into a liverpool single jointed bit. It is the oddest thing, I ride her in a full cheek snaffle and she does not put her tongue over, put in the liverpool right over lol... So odd... You can always try a new bit and if your finding it not the right match you can always change it up, or maybe your coach has one you could try before you buy one!
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post #25 of 29 Old 07-07-2013, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by littrella View Post
I would love to hear what you use for a bit & why. My instructor is very picky about what equipment she uses & what brands. She wants me to use a Liverpool mullen mouth. I undestand what works well for her & her horse may not always work well for me & my donk. I"m currently reading "Carriage Driving, Updated Edition" by Heike Bean & Sarha Blanchard. They say a liverpool mullen mouth is a harsh bit & should only be used by a seasoned driver. So I'm trying to gather as much information as I can so I can do the best by my boy
The mullen mouth is not harsh at all. The Liverpool can be very mild to harsh depending on where you put the reins. I use the same bit in the rough cheek setting which is the mildest. I always recommend a mullen mouth although a Liverpool is a little fancy for a donk for a correct turnout. It is more for a high stepping carriage horse.
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post #26 of 29 Old 07-07-2013, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Southern Grace View Post
My mare is in training right now, and I've got her in a full-cheek snaffle, same bit we use for everything. I typically keep hoses in a snaffle until I see a need for something else.

Endiku - I didn't know there was any world of show driving that allowed slapping the haunches with the lines! GASP is right! And there's no breeching on those harnesses, I guess the cart weighs so little they don't need it, but golly gosh I've never seen it in a show ring. And correct me if I'm wrong, but is that a head check on that horse the man is driving? His nose is practically dragging the ground as it is, what could that head check offer?
On a fine harness and a Jerald cart no breeching is used.
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post #27 of 29 Old 07-09-2013, 12:18 AM
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My team drives on a light touch to the lines, I mostly work them off of voice, with a slight touch to the lines if were doing something in the general public to reenforce what I asked them to do. Here is a photo of one of the wagon rides we provided at a friends farm day tour...

We at one time had buxton bits on the team harness but after getting the bottom of the bit stuck on a snap on my pole, not wanting them anyway as they are primarily used for the wheel horses, we switched over to military snaffle bits. I have light hands on my lines and don't need a heavy bit or one that has a lot of stopping power.

The work harness has simple snaffles. I have plowed with them, driven and again, they are well trained so a light touch and a command, our team will stop. We work with them a lot and we use to do a lot of public events and educational talks so for us, it was very important that they were, and also for the general public. Here I am ground driving my mare Smoke in a snaffle, were pulling a log through an obstacle and yes, I do rely a lot on voice when I did this:

And yes, slapping your lines onto your horses back/rump is very frowned upon. I have done it a time or two but never made it a habit, rather voice or a touch with the driving whip is enough. I have seen people slap the lines often and to me it looks bad.
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post #28 of 29 Old 07-09-2013, 10:31 AM
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The team I drove this past year had one horse in a liverpool and one in a butterfly. We taped the clips to the yoke closed so they couldn't catch. I've heard of the shanks catching the yoke, and it never ends well
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post #29 of 29 Old 07-23-2013, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by smrobs View Post
Granted, we don't show or anything, but my family has been driving teams for farming for generations. We've always just used loose-ring snaffles on everything. I was raised to believe that it's the training that matters, not the bit. Heck, we had a team of mules that worked 100% off voice commands, even in strange/scary situations like parades and shows.

Of course, you must take into account the individual horse's preferences and needs, but I don't see the need to bit up beyond a snaffle type (1:1 pressure ratio).
I,m the same way,if I buy another set of harnessI leave in what ever bit is already there
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