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    02-07-2013, 11:36 AM
  #11
Green Broke
When ground driving it is very important to have the reins through the tugs and not up high through the terrets at this point in training
     
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    02-07-2013, 11:43 AM
  #12
Green Broke
I wouldn't worry about cavelleti's at this point. It takes strength to do those and you should do it minimally and I think people do it several times not knowing any better.
If you are lunging I assume you have the whip with you in the center? Bigger circles and control of the whip of the person lunging is needed to get her to step up more.
     
    02-07-2013, 03:30 PM
  #13
Yearling
footage

Hiya and many thanks for your footage she is at her foot falls and she is not doing bad but she is falling in the circle.
Lunge her 10 times in each direction to keep her levled up and talk to her and also don't for get to reward her and she will axcept her work willingley.
My asumption is that she is just green and needs bringing on and educating and I think youll have a super little mare.
Did you say she was in foal ?.
My frends have just got a four year old apalosa and she is the same on the lunge by the sounds of it she is green as well and needs bringing on.
I have not seen her on the lunge my self but we chatted about her.
And your little mare eventurley you can ask her to extend her stride don't be afraid to push her with your voice keep asking her to trot on and hopefully her stride will increase.
If you have a lunge wip make it crack it will drive her on.
     
    02-07-2013, 07:13 PM
  #14
Teen Forum Moderator
You know, I actualy didnt realize that! Thanks. I'll make sure to put it through the tugs when I work her tomorrow. Is there a specific reason for that?

Yes, I have a lunge whip that I use. I didn't give it to the kids though because I knew they'd just make a big mess of it and I didnt want them to startle her.

Normally she doesn't fall into the circle (unless I clip the line to only one side. My fault) but I think those children were completely confusing the poor dear xD I'll make sure she does 10 laps of each, and believe me, she gets lots of incentives! Usually after a workout I slip her a few pieces of chopped up baby carrot, after she releases her bit nicely for me.

Yes, she was in foal both in the free lunging pictures and in those ground driving photos. It wasn't my idea and I defintely did not agree with breeding her, but she wasn't mine at the time unfortunately :/ so all of those pictures are fairly old. The newest is probably the free lunging photos, 7-8 months ago. She had a filly back on 9-11-12 who was just weaned last week so she's going back into work now. I owner her now though, and she will not be bred again if I can help her. Her filly has locking stifles...more proof that she shouldnt have been bred.
     
    02-07-2013, 09:28 PM
  #15
Yearling
locking stifles hocks ect

I thought there might be a problem by looking at the photo and many thanks for replying.
And that's good news that the foal has been weened off of her and I think her belly will go down over time to so as long as she is happy she should work well I think you should lower your hands a little bit as well and keep us in the loop as to how she is going ok.
     
    02-07-2013, 09:32 PM
  #16
Teen Forum Moderator
Sure thing! I'm hoping it will tone out too. Its never been so big in the winter before but being that she's getting good hay (a bit of alfalfa and jiggs costal) and has no worms, I wouldn't think I have too much to worry about.
     
    02-07-2013, 09:38 PM
  #17
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Endiku    
You know, I actualy didnt realize that! Thanks. I'll make sure to put it through the tugs when I work her tomorrow. Is there a specific reason for that?
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Yes it helps keep your horse in front of you and going forward.
Keeps the horse from being able to spin around and face you, or try and escape.
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    02-08-2013, 05:45 PM
  #18
Teen Forum Moderator
LOL, that would have been so helpful back when we were learning that it was ok to be in front of me... we did a LOT of giving to pressure before she finally realized what I was trying to do. Thankfully she's way past that stage now and doesn't evade contact or spin. I actually found her to be more willing to accept contact with the reins in the tugs though today, which was great. It seems like she warmed up faster too. We did just about 5 minutes of ground driving today, mostly lunging and working on s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g into the walk on the lunge and keeping cadence at the trot. I think she did well once she realized what I was asking her. Thank you so much guys, for all of your explanations and help. As much as I'd love to have a trainer right now, my trainer moved away and all of the trainers I've interviewed/gone to watch while looking for a new one have been worthless IMO. One lady that I went to watch was even working a three year old miniature in blinders, a pelham bit, side reins on the tightest hole, and an overcheck in a round pen at a speedy trot and canter. This miniature was for 'show' so I have no idea why she was overchecked >.> and she wasn't even the worst trainer I talked to! So right now...I'm better off doing things myself and asking questions. I'd really rather not have my horse be ruined.
     
    02-08-2013, 06:08 PM
  #19
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Endiku    
LOL, that would have been so helpful back when we were learning that it was ok to be in front of me... we did a LOT of giving to pressure before she finally realized what I was trying to do. Thankfully she's way past that stage now and doesn't evade contact or spin. I actually found her to be more willing to accept contact with the reins in the tugs though today, which was great. It seems like she warmed up faster too. We did just about 5 minutes of ground driving today, mostly lunging and working on s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g into the walk on the lunge and keeping cadence at the trot. I think she did well once she realized what I was asking her. Thank you so much guys, for all of your explanations and help. As much as I'd love to have a trainer right now, my trainer moved away and all of the trainers I've interviewed/gone to watch while looking for a new one have been worthless IMO. One lady that I went to watch was even working a three year old miniature in blinders, a pelham bit, side reins on the tightest hole, and an overcheck in a round pen at a speedy trot and canter. This miniature was for 'show' so I have no idea why she was overchecked >.> and she wasn't even the worst trainer I talked to! So right now...I'm better off doing things myself and asking questions. I'd really rather not have my horse be ruined.
Lots of warm up. I do not do any trotting until I have done 15-20 minutes of walking. When you asked about the reins not being in the terrets. They need to learn long and low 1st and the reins being lower encourage that.
Then down and round.
Then forward and up and on.
I just read that today and liked it.
     
    02-08-2013, 06:32 PM
  #20
Teen Forum Moderator
I did 15 minutes of walking (10 times in each direction and two figure eights) then five minutes of trotting, 10 more minutes of walking, then tacked up to ground drive and ground drove her for about 5 minutes at a walk, just working on stretching out just like on the lunge so she didnt think it was a lunge-only exercise.

Long and low, down around round, forwards and up and on is a great way to think of the steps to training. Thanks so much for sharing that. We'll definitely be taking a few steps back with all of this and to lots of refining before progressing again in the cart.

I was really hoping to drive her this year in our parade (February 23rd) and have been preparing for months. Do you think its an ok idea to do that? I know she's still fairly green but she has never tried to spook or move out faster than I ask her to under cart, even when around cantering horses that are making a fuss and children, and she's pretty solid when it comes to ignoring loud sounds/distractions and listening to me, but I definitely wouldn't want to overwhelm her. She has a super solid halt as well.

What do you think? And if I can't drive her, what do you think of ground driving her in just her saddle and driving bridle (would that look to weird to onlookers? Haha) with a halter on underneath and maybe a leadrope with me just in case I need to lead her?

If I did drive her, she'd have a halter on underneath and I'd have a leadrope in case someone needed to lead her or hold her if she got jittery, and if absolutely needbe we could unharness her and load the cart (its super light) into our hay wagon that will be in the parade as well, or switch her out with our steady-eddy shetland gelding so that he could pull and she could walk. He's been in dozens of parades and spooks at nothing. I'd also be sure to wear gloves/a helmet of course, since this would be her first outing under cart.
     

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