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  • Kimbelwick as a driving bit
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    05-14-2012, 05:06 AM
  #11
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    
What about driving him in the bit you ride in? Would that work. As long as you are not showing I would drive in whatever bit your horse likes best.
you can what bit have you got the bits you can drive in are snaffles kimblewicks liverpool bits with straight bars I think a western bit with long shanks would or mite make your horse overbend in harness and the other one is a half moonwilson with 2 rings each side I drive tricky in his valcainte kimblewick slotted like in the picture and I don't use the slots.
I hope this helps
     
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    05-14-2012, 05:21 AM
  #12
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    
Yes, defiantly too much bit for driving, I thought you drove in the Kimblewick.

Some places to try:http://www.doversaddlery.com/

http://www.statelinetack.com/english-saddles-and-tack/bits/1035/

http://www.theharnessroom.com/

http://www.carriagedrivingessentials.com/index.html

http://www.camptownharness.com/
Smuckers Harness Shop: On-line Catalog Miniature Horse to Draft Horse Driving Harnesses and Supplies

My boy is doing very well in a mullen mouth snaffle, what about that?
well if he is happy with the snaffle keep him in it.
I have never come a cross a driveing bit were the cheeks are independent.
I can give you a list of bits wilson bradoon jointed 4 rings. Wilson half moon
4 rings.a kimblewick like I drive in. A military elbow a liverpool driveong bit
I think there is some diferent types of them 2 hole 3 hole slotsmullen half cheek snaffle.
I have a book of bits some were in my own house and a draw full of them at home.
     
    05-14-2012, 05:35 AM
  #13
Yearling
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Originally Posted by michaelvanessa    
well if he is happy with the snaffle keep him in it.
I have never come a cross a driveing bit were the cheeks are independent.
I can give you a list of bits wilson bradoon jointed 4 rings. Wilson half moon
4 rings.a kimblewick like I drive in. A military elbow a liverpool driveong bit
I think there is some diferent types of them 2 hole 3 hole slotsmullen half cheek snaffle.
I have a book of bits some were in my own house and a draw full of them at home.
I looked at your harness shops and smuckers has a god selection of bits there I did a little serch for you and that's got a good selection.
     
    05-14-2012, 09:21 AM
  #14
Green Broke
Michaelvanessa you mentioned a Wilson bit
What is the benefit of a Wilson Snaffle Bit? Someone lent me one to drive in and before I use it, I wanted to know what the purpose of the bit. Thanks
     
    05-14-2012, 09:33 AM
  #15
Showing
I don't drive, but OP the one you linked with the middle roller.. are you going to try that one? It looks really nice.

I found

http://www.toklat.com/dyn_prod.php?p=89-25035&k=87332
http://www.toklat.com/dyn_prod.php?p=88-25055&k=87332
http://www.toklat.com/dyn_prod.php?p=89-25425&k=87332

(promise they are all different, LOL!)

Or http://www.angelfire.com/parkersales...imberwick.html
http://www.123tack.com/myler-kimberw...er--mb03-.html
     
    05-14-2012, 10:18 AM
  #16
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    
Michaelvanessa you mentioned a Wilson bit
What is the benefit of a Wilson Snaffle Bit? Someone lent me one to drive in and before I use it, I wanted to know what the purpose of the bit. Thanks
the true perpous is I don't know the fundimentles of why it was designed.
The in side rings attach to the cheek pieces and the out side to the reind or the reins can buckle on to the pair of themlike your self I did a bit of experimenting and brought a lot of bits and chose one which was ok for tricky and so I tryed him in a rubber kimblewick and he is happy with it so I drive him in that.the wilsons with doubble rings come in half moon or jointed but years ago thay made a straight bar I have seen pictures of it.
The other thing is how the bit works on the horses mouth straight bars and half moons work on the bars of the mouth the jointed bits and bits with ports work on the toungue and the bars.
Ill give you a test if you have a bit lets say a straight bar with a curb chain and if you did the curb chain up behind your knee and pull the bit if it has lets say shanks like a liverpool bit and you apply force infront of you knee would tell you how much you are exerting as your knee would start to hurt,i hope this will help.
Taffy Clayton likes this.
     
    05-14-2012, 10:25 AM
  #17
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by michaelvanessa    
ill give you a test if you have a bit lets say a straight bar with a curb chain and if you did the curb chain up behind your knee and pull the bit if it has lets say shanks like a liverpool bit and you apply force infront of you knee would tell you how much you are exerting as your knee would start to hurt,i hope this will help.
Thanks I will try this today.
     
    05-14-2012, 11:03 AM
  #18
Yearling
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Originally Posted by yadlim    
So, I have used this type of bit driving my horse for several years.



Just a basic medium port Kimberwick. We took a few years off driving, but now that we are driving again, he is not happy with the bit.

About two years ago I switched him, under saddle, to a medium port with a copper roller - which he LOVES.

But now, when I hitch him up, I can feel him workign the bit looking for the roller. He is not doing anything bad, he just wants his copper roller back.

Do they make Kimberwicks with a copper roller that are not broken mouth pieces? This is the closest I have been able to find. My horse hasn't had a broken mouth piece in his mouth in 12 years.



Or if I really want to keep my medium port - which I do, I can get copper, but the mouth piece is broken and no roller.



Any suggestions? He is really unhappy without the roller, but he has never gone well in any sort of snaffle. - I need to add that I am open to switching to different shanks, like a pelham, etc, but I don't need tons of leverage.
try a rubber(valconate)kimblewick that might help.
     
    05-14-2012, 12:09 PM
  #19
Weanling
Thanks everyone for the suggestins! It looks like if he really wants his roller back, he is going to have to go to a broken mouth piece. In all honestly, it will probably give him more bend in his movement anyway. He can be stong when I first hitch him up, but settled down to the "old gray mare who ain't what she used to be" - even though he is a gelding - within about 20 minutes. Yes, lunging first would probably shorten how long he is stong, but he is not dangerous, just wants to get out and stretch his legs at a good working trot. His verbal "whoa" if perfect and does not requiring my touching the reins.

I have a rubber training bit that was loaned to me for starting my filly, I will see how he likes it - but I am betting we will end up wit this one...
http://www.toklat.com/dyn_prod.php?p=88-25055&k=87332

It will do him good to try somethign new. At 14 he can be a bit set in his ways. Over the years we started with a simple D ring snaffle - that he hated and we had a wreck in. Then we switched to bitless where his turn was great, but standing still SUCKED. And that is when I picked up that simple medium port Kimberwick for $5 including bridle and reins at a garage sale and he loved it. He was even briefly used as a lesson horse for kids in it. And he had WHOA no matter what scary thing jumped out at him.

Shaman at a medieval event in a Dr Cooks bitless bridle.


Well, I no longer use any of the slots, just use it as a D-ring as I dont' need the leverage, not driving - his pasion is to drive. Yes, he is a fine riding horse, but he comes alive when hitched.

I think it is time to change bits, get his his copper roller that he loves so much, and go to a broken mouth piece. I can afford $50 to see how he likes it. It doesn't look like it will have the nut cracker affect on the roof of his mouth like the basic snaffle - which just freaks him out.

So, I wanted to say THANKS to everyone who brought up the ideas!

OH, and to lessen the confusion, we drive in the medium port Kimberwick, and ride in a medium port curb with roller - Western.

I will post pics and ask for opinions on my whole hitch as soon as I get it all together. My shafts are still a bit too close (and being metal can be seperated). I am not going to worry about repainting, just yet. That can wait!
     
    05-14-2012, 12:38 PM
  #20
Foal
The most common Driving Bit is a Liverpool. It comes on all kinds of mouthpieces, but the sides are all the same design. You can use it with direct pull, or various severity of curb action, by moving the reins down the slots in the shanks. The sides can be swivel or fixed. If you hunt hard, there are bound to be some Liverpools with rollers on the mouthpieces for sale. These are NOT the Western type cricket rollers, up inside the port.

Driving Essentials, Inc.- Bits

These folks sell a BIG selection of Driving bits, which are not cheap. The Liverpool sides with roller mouths are on this page:

Driving Essentials, Inc.- Roller Mouth Liverpool Bits

And amazingly enough, they do have a cricket type roller on one bit! I had not seen that one before. Coscoquero 3-Slot Liverpool

Otherwise I know of no bits with rollers on them, suitable for what you want. I am sure you don't want any kind of broken mouthpiece for the horse. I don't have any horses that "like" the broken mouthpieces in curb bits for riding or driving. If you watch the person pulling the reins, the bits FOLD, with the sides going into a nutcracker action on the lower jaw. NASTY action for a bit. Center of broken mouthpiece often pokes horse in the upper palate as well.

Something to consider in getting away from rollers, is horse spending less time playing with his bit, more attentive to his job at hand. The horses I see with rollers spend a LOT of time with tongue flicking in and out of their mouth. Often takes more than one signal from stand to motion, because they are inattentive. Some have bitten their tongues during a signal to MOVE it! And the noisy crickets can drive you to drink!! I hated lining up beside the Spade
Bit horses spinning the cricket, nasty high pitched noises ALL the time.

As I said, the nice Driving bits will cost you, but they are usually able to be resold for almost what you pay for them. Driving is not a cheap sport. The ad for the Butterfly bits is probably not going to be the bit your horse wants either. Pretty bits, but again with broken mouthpieces for that folding action when reins are used.
     

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