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    05-14-2012, 02:32 PM
  #21
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by goodhors    
The most common Driving Bit is a Liverpool. It comes on all kinds of mouthpieces, but the sides are all the same design. You can use it with direct pull, or various severity of curb action, by moving the reins down the slots in the shanks. The sides can be swivel or fixed. If you hunt hard, there are bound to be some Liverpools with rollers on the mouthpieces for sale. These are NOT the Western type cricket rollers, up inside the port.

Driving Essentials, Inc.- Bits

These folks sell a BIG selection of Driving bits, which are not cheap. The Liverpool sides with roller mouths are on this page:

Driving Essentials, Inc.- Roller Mouth Liverpool Bits

And amazingly enough, they do have a cricket type roller on one bit! I had not seen that one before. Coscoquero 3-Slot Liverpool

Otherwise I know of no bits with rollers on them, suitable for what you want. I am sure you don't want any kind of broken mouthpiece for the horse. I don't have any horses that "like" the broken mouthpieces in curb bits for riding or driving. If you watch the person pulling the reins, the bits FOLD, with the sides going into a nutcracker action on the lower jaw. NASTY action for a bit. Center of broken mouthpiece often pokes horse in the upper palate as well.

Something to consider in getting away from rollers, is horse spending less time playing with his bit, more attentive to his job at hand. The horses I see with rollers spend a LOT of time with tongue flicking in and out of their mouth. Often takes more than one signal from stand to motion, because they are inattentive. Some have bitten their tongues during a signal to MOVE it! And the noisy crickets can drive you to drink!! I hated lining up beside the Spade
Bit horses spinning the cricket, nasty high pitched noises ALL the time.

As I said, the nice Driving bits will cost you, but they are usually able to be resold for almost what you pay for them. Driving is not a cheap sport. The ad for the Butterfly bits is probably not going to be the bit your horse wants either. Pretty bits, but again with broken mouthpieces for that folding action when reins are used.
Would also like to add to Goodhors, as she has a lot of good information, that a driving bit and a western riding bit are two different pieces of equipment. There are a few bits you can ride and/or drive in, but many others you cannot. The way you hold your reins vs your driving lines is different, the signals are different, etc..

Also, no matter how "seasoned" your driving horse is, driving with no blinders at all is dangerous!! A horse is a fight or flight animal, you never know what may set them off and even the most steady eddy has their moments. The blinders are there for a purpose, to keep that driving animals mind on what it is doing and not be distracted by everything around them. I would also strongly caution driving in a Dr. Cook's bitless bridle, again, a dangerous thing to do.
     
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    05-14-2012, 02:38 PM
  #22
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by yadlim    
Shaman at a medieval event in a Dr Cooks bitless bridle.
Wow, you do have a very good boy there!!
     
    05-14-2012, 05:19 PM
  #23
Weanling
Nothing nice to say - then don't say it

Quote:
Originally Posted by GreySorrel    
Would also like to add to Goodhors, as she has a lot of good information, that a driving bit and a western riding bit are two different pieces of equipment. There are a few bits you can ride and/or drive in, but many others you cannot. The way you hold your reins vs your driving lines is different, the signals are different, etc..

Also, no matter how "seasoned" your driving horse is, driving with no blinders at all is dangerous!! A horse is a fight or flight animal, you never know what may set them off and even the most steady eddy has their moments. The blinders are there for a purpose, to keep that driving animals mind on what it is doing and not be distracted by everything around them. I would also strongly caution driving in a Dr. Cook's bitless bridle, again, a dangerous thing to do.
I have found that your posts do not actually carry any information, just condensation - which you call being blunt.

I have no doubt that you will find something wrong with every portion of everything I do. In this case it is no bit, and no blinders. - gosh, you missed no overcheck!

You also missed the heavy full armour combat going on in the background where men dressed in full steet armour where fightign at full contact with hardened unsharpened swords - which sounds a bit like constant thunder.

Or how about the costume on both horse and rider, not to mention the riders that are just out of sight of the picture.
     
    05-14-2012, 05:25 PM
  #24
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    
Quote:
Originally Posted by yadlim    
Shaman at a medieval event in a Dr Cooks bitless bridle.
Wow, you do have a very good boy there!!
He was four in this pic - two yeas under harness. After we got done with our warm up, then I had to drive with one hand while using a wooden sword to knock the heads off the tops of the poles as we wove between the poles.

Unfortunatly, we had a flat tire so did not get to do any of the lancing work - which again required we weave between the poles, but this time holding a 12 foot lance to spear two inch rings off cross bars held on with velcro.

Now the javalin toss we won at this event - My horse could trot a strait line so much easier than the riden horses could!

I also have to note that in between runs, we woudl unhitch, and saddle him so my daughter coudl compete under saddle - then it was quick back into harness for my turn!
     
    05-14-2012, 05:36 PM
  #25
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by goodhors    
The most common Driving Bit is a Liverpool. It comes on all kinds of mouthpieces, but the sides are all the same design. You can use it with direct pull, or various severity of curb action, by moving the reins down the slots in the shanks. The sides can be swivel or fixed. If you hunt hard, there are bound to be some Liverpools with rollers on the mouthpieces for sale. These are NOT the Western type cricket rollers, up inside the port.

Driving Essentials, Inc.- Bits

These folks sell a BIG selection of Driving bits, which are not cheap. The Liverpool sides with roller mouths are on this page:

Driving Essentials, Inc.- Roller Mouth Liverpool Bits

And amazingly enough, they do have a cricket type roller on one bit! I had not seen that one before. Coscoquero 3-Slot Liverpool

Otherwise I know of no bits with rollers on them, suitable for what you want. I am sure you don't want any kind of broken mouthpiece for the horse. I don't have any horses that "like" the broken mouthpieces in curb bits for riding or driving. If you watch the person pulling the reins, the bits FOLD, with the sides going into a nutcracker action on the lower jaw. NASTY action for a bit. Center of broken mouthpiece often pokes horse in the upper palate as well.

Something to consider in getting away from rollers, is horse spending less time playing with his bit, more attentive to his job at hand. The horses I see with rollers spend a LOT of time with tongue flicking in and out of their mouth. Often takes more than one signal from stand to motion, because they are inattentive. Some have bitten their tongues during a signal to MOVE it! And the noisy crickets can drive you to drink!! I hated lining up beside the Spade
Bit horses spinning the cricket, nasty high pitched noises ALL the time.

As I said, the nice Driving bits will cost you, but they are usually able to be resold for almost what you pay for them. Driving is not a cheap sport. The ad for the Butterfly bits is probably not going to be the bit your horse wants either. Pretty bits, but again with broken mouthpieces for that folding action when reins are used.
I am sure we are just going to have to do some trial and error. I HATE broken mouth pieces - as does my horse. I have the advantage that what I do does not take 100% of my horse's attention 100% of the time. When we have work to do, like in the medieval games or working on some specific thing in the arena - yeah, I have 100% of his attention. But if I am out for a four hour meander down easy roads, riding or driving, we both can relax a bit - which is when he likes to play with his roller. I also like the sound, because with this horse, I know that means he is relaxed and having fun.

Oh - and I don't accept having to give a command more than once - EVER under any circumstances. I have seen horse who focus down on the rollers like a kid with a nucky, but I would not allow my horse to do that over my dead decaying body! LOL.

Worse comes to worse, he will just have to cope with his regular Kimberwick, medium port - which he has been using for the last ten years (less the last four or five years when I didn't have a cart). He drives fine in it, just not as happy as he could be.
     
    05-14-2012, 05:45 PM
  #26
Weanling
OK - I have to say this...I know many many people will not like it - but I drive WITHOUT blinders. As I "fight" with my horse in medieval games where he has to work out exact distances between the "enemy" and where I am sittting in the cart, he has to be able to look back to see exactly where things are - otherwise if he is off by just a couple inches, I miss the point.

For competition drivng, and other things, I am sure that blinders have thier place. Just not on my horse and not what I do with him. No amount of people throwing TROLL fits about how unsafe that is will change that. Let's face facts, you probably think that when I hold my reins in one hand and pick up a 12 foot wood lance with a six inch steel tip also think is dangerous - yet I get cheered every time I enter the arena.

Have I driven horses who work better in blinders? Heck yes, and we drove with blinders. I happen to know a Mustang who is just starting to be ground driven who will be used only in blinders - or anyone in the cart will no doubt die! So, like any piece of tack, it needs to be used porperly, in the correct situations, and by people who properly know how to use it.
     
    05-14-2012, 06:12 PM
  #27
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by yadlim    
I have found that your posts do not actually carry any information, just condensation - which you call being blunt.

I have no doubt that you will find something wrong with every portion of everything I do. In this case it is no bit, and no blinders. - gosh, you missed no overcheck!

You also missed the heavy full armour combat going on in the background where men dressed in full steet armour where fightign at full contact with hardened unsharpened swords - which sounds a bit like constant thunder.

Or how about the costume on both horse and rider, not to mention the riders that are just out of sight of the picture.
I say what I say because there are people on this list who are new to driving who, if they were to follow you and do what your doing, would seriously hurt themselves and/or their horse. Driving is one of the most dangerous sports out there and if you see what I am saying as rude, that is on you. We are here to teach the new people getting into driving to do so safely and efficiently and to not harm themselves and or their horse.

The over check, I have one on all my harnesses and use it, but it is not as tight as others say it should be. I know what they are for.

So your at an SCA event or a mid evil event, your point? I am sorry you feel your being scolded but I have been driving a lot longer than you and with each post, your cutting corners, you keep insinuating you have little to no money, yet to drive it takes good solid equipment. ALL my harness and my driving vehicles are used, but we restored each one and they are gone over before and after each drive. Our horses have stood patiently with a crowd around them at Civil War reenactments while a cannon shooting off half rounds, children running up and grabbing our drafts tails, poking them in the nose, etc.

Your last photo, your horse does not in fact look like he is having fun, he looks apprehensive and not at all at ease and laid back, look at his body and his ears and how he is going. Any good horseman who can read a horse can see this. There is NO PLACE for sloppy or ignorance in driving. I have seen wrecks that ruin a good solid driving horse with a willing attitude and a good mind because the driver is ignorant in what they are doing and don't want to listen or be told they are doing it wrong. If you want pleasing and accolades, then please, go to a place where people don't do this on a daily basis.

I have to carry a huge sum of insurance when I go out in the public and train my horses to ensure they don't hurt anyone. When I have people on our wagon's or we participate in events, which are often because we are known for being safety conscious, I take what I do seriously. Driving takes experience and safe practices. To go out in public without all those safety practices in place your not only putting yourself and your animal in danger but the general public. I don't do parades normally nor do I do certain events if I feel that it puts my team or myself in danger, that is being a good teamster and driver. Something some people just either don't grasp or don't care to see or just don't want to see it.
     
    05-14-2012, 08:46 PM
  #28
Foal
You could have one custom made, if it really meant a lot to you. (: I think that that sort of thing is pricey, though.
     
    05-14-2012, 09:48 PM
  #29
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by yadlim    
He was four in this pic - two yeas under harness. After we got done with our warm up, then I had to drive with one hand while using a wooden sword to knock the heads off the tops of the poles as we wove between the poles.

Unfortunatly, we had a flat tire so did not get to do any of the lancing work - which again required we weave between the poles, but this time holding a 12 foot lance to spear two inch rings off cross bars held on with velcro.

Now the javalin toss we won at this event - My horse could trot a strait line so much easier than the riden horses could!

I also have to note that in between runs, we woudl unhitch, and saddle him so my daughter coudl compete under saddle - then it was quick back into harness for my turn!
That is one versatile horse!! I do not think he looks unhappy in harness; I do think he looks aware of his surroundings.
     
    05-14-2012, 09:50 PM
  #30
Green Broke
I did look up mylar bits and they have a non broken roller Kimblewick bit. Do not have a clue of the price, but it would be worth it if it made your boy happy. You could ride western in it too.
     

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