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        05-14-2012, 10:25 PM
      #31
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    
    That is one versatile horse!! I do not think he looks unhappy in harness; I do think he looks aware of his surroundings.
    Yeah - Shaman loves to drive. The BO noted a couple weeks ago that when I am getting ready to saddle him, Shaman will stand ground tied without any fussing for about 15 to 20 minutes - total grooming and saddleing time.

    The first time in the new cart, he stood for about 90 minutes while we fussed to make sure that everything was just right. Not one hoof moved or shifted the whole time. Once hitched - he had his animated Saddlebred trot - even though we only drove for about 20 minutes. To get that same trot under saddle, he has to be told to do it and I am the only person who can get it.

    At the medieval events, oh yeah, he is watching everywhere. As a Saddlebred, he is always high headed unless there is something wrong with him physically.

    He is such a joy to drive.
         
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        05-14-2012, 10:41 PM
      #32
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by yadlim    
    At the medieval events, oh yeah, he is watching everywhere. As a Saddlebred, he is always high headed unless there is something wrong with him physically.

    He is such a joy to drive.
    A spotted Saddlebread, I love him.
         
        05-15-2012, 10:38 AM
      #33
    Green Broke
    I got so excited when I saw this bit, I think it is exactly what you want. Unfortunatly it has sold but they are out there.

    17.5 wide tree St. Lourdes saddle, myler bit, wintec gullets for sale!
         
        05-15-2012, 11:07 AM
      #34
    Weanling
    Yes!!!!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    
    I got so excited when I saw this bit, I think it is exactly what you want. Unfortunatly it has sold but they are out there.

    17.5 wide tree St. Lourdes saddle, myler bit, wintec gullets for sale!
    That is EXACTLY what I am looking for! It means that they are out there! Now I just have to find one! But knowing that what I am looking for exists is half the battle!

    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

    (Doing the happy dance!!!)
         
        05-15-2012, 11:54 AM
      #35
    Green Broke
    After looking at a few of your pictures I would work on getting the horse round and supple. This will help with your driving and riding and I bet then bits won't be such an issue. Looks like he needs some basics and learning some collection and softness will make a big difference in how he responds and relaxes.
         
        05-15-2012, 12:19 PM
      #36
    Weanling
    What does this have to do with anything?

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by churumbeque    
    after looking at a few of your pictures I would work on getting the horse round and supple. This will help with your driving and riding and I bet then bits won't be such an issue. Looks like he needs some basics and learning some collection and softness will make a big difference in how he responds and relaxes.
    I am going to assume you are trying to help and that it that way!

    Yes, my horse is VERY high headed. The only driving pics you have seen have been from 10 years ago and over 500 miles of drivng ago - so they do NOT represent his current state of driving training. If my issue with graysorral can be worked out (hopefully friendly) I will post pics as I plan to hitch this weekend. I will be actively asking for opinions on those!

    I did post one of my riding - and he was PISSED at the time. He absulute HATES ponying other horses and it shows in every inch of his being! It was just one only pic I coudl find that actually showed his riding bit.

    I do think that Shaman needs to supple up and get more rounded. We worked out that some of our issues with rounding him was a bad fitting saddle. With his new saddlle, his riding is improving greatly as he feels free to get his butt under him and be able to move freely.

    After four (five?) years out of harness, we are going to need to do a lot of work to soften him and get him working in proper frame in the shafts. So far, being hitched once since his break, we have been focusing excusuively on being relaxed, turns, and whoa.

    Any suggestions on getting his properly rounded and supple in harness? I would love to hear them!
         
        05-15-2012, 12:37 PM
      #37
    Weanling
    Yadlim, I hold no animosity toward you at all. I hope you work out all your doing with your horse and you do so safely and in the proper manner.

    My QH gelding has arthritic changes and we have him massaged monthly. I take his favorite treat and standing a little behind his shoulder ask him to bend his neck toward me, 2 to 3 times each side, if he takes his time that is fine. I will take his legs and bend them for him, he will stretch it straight out in front of him, with me holding his hoof with my hands cupped behind his hoof bulbs, we don't raise it high but enough to allow some stretching, as if you were doing it with your own leg.

    Can you ground drive your horse using long lines and walk behind him, go back to basics and at a walk, start there and ask for bending, turning, backing. While my team has a lot of time under their harness, when I begin working them at the start of each year, I ground drive them. I have a gravel road and when I know everyone is at work we go out, I as them to turn, to stand, to do half turns, backing as one. I get exercise, which I need, and they get out and we have a relaxing walk, refreshing on everything they would do on the fore cart.

    Would this help you with making your horse more supple? Hope it helps.
         
        05-15-2012, 01:16 PM
      #38
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by yadlim    
    I am going to assume you are trying to help and that it that way!

    Yes, my horse is VERY high headed. The only driving pics you have seen have been from 10 years ago and over 500 miles of drivng ago - so they do NOT represent his current state of driving training. If my issue with graysorral can be worked out (hopefully friendly) I will post pics as I plan to hitch this weekend. I will be actively asking for opinions on those!

    I did post one of my riding - and he was PISSED at the time. He absulute HATES ponying other horses and it shows in every inch of his being! It was just one only pic I coudl find that actually showed his riding bit.

    I do think that Shaman needs to supple up and get more rounded. We worked out that some of our issues with rounding him was a bad fitting saddle. With his new saddlle, his riding is improving greatly as he feels free to get his butt under him and be able to move freely.

    After four (five?) years out of harness, we are going to need to do a lot of work to soften him and get him working in proper frame in the shafts. So far, being hitched once since his break, we have been focusing excusuively on being relaxed, turns, and whoa.

    Any suggestions on getting his properly rounded and supple in harness? I would love to hear them!
    Too much to explain over the internet but I would suggest auditing some classical horsemanship type clinics. I have been to a few clinics and the basic principles are the same and auditing is much less expensive that attending with a horse. It is alot of information to take in but after you attend a few they make more sense and it is easier to understand
    I have been working on longlining and getting my horse to step under herself with half halts. I will add that most people do not know what a proper half halt is and do not do them correctly and I learned about it watching Muffy Seatons dvd bending the driving horse and others have a different technique than hers. I also do lots of ground work to push my horse forward to extend her stride and not break gait.
         
        05-15-2012, 06:39 PM
      #39
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by churumbeque    
    Too much to explain over the internet but I would suggest auditing some classical horsemanship type clinics. I have been to a few clinics and the basic principles are the same and auditing is much less expensive that attending with a horse. It is alot of information to take in but after you attend a few they make more sense and it is easier to understand
    I have been working on longlining and getting my horse to step under herself with half halts. I will add that most people do not know what a proper half halt is and do not do them correctly and I learned about it watching Muffy Seatons dvd bending the driving horse and others have a different technique than hers. I also do lots of ground work to push my horse forward to extend her stride and not break gait.
    That's kewl! Being a Western trail rider, I have heard the term half-halt, but have no clue what it means. We will continue to slowly move forward and work on how I know how to round - though I really havn't asked him of it in several years. It will be fun!

    Thanks
         
        05-15-2012, 06:59 PM
      #40
    Weanling
    Thank you for the post - this was great!

    I take his favorite treat and standing a little behind his shoulder ask him to bend his neck toward me, 2 to 3 times each side, if he takes his time that is fine.

    This I do all the time, both on the ground and in saddle - to keep his front end flexable.

    I will take his legs and bend them for him, he will stretch it straight out in front of him, with me holding his hoof with my hands cupped behind his hoof bulbs, we don't raise it high but enough to allow some stretching, as if you were doing it with your own leg.

    I actually do this to, but not for the same reason. Now that I think about it, it is a great stretch for the horse. We use it to make sure the girth is settled correctly without any pinched hair before we ride. I will have to make sure to add it to our hitching regime.

    Can you ground drive your horse using long lines and walk behind him, go back to basics and at a walk, start there and ask for bending, turning, backing.

    Actually, this is just about ALL we have been doing for the last two months. The only problem here is that he is so much faster than I am, that we do a lot of serpentines back and forth down the arena. I walk straight down the arena while he trots first to one side wall, makes the turn without breaking gait, then off towards the other side.

    What I don't get doing this, is any sort of collection. We always start out with his Saddlebred fancy trot which is very strong in my hands, but once he calms down (about 15 minutes) he gives me a nice easy jog and pretty smooth (though no where near perfectly smooth) turns. At any time I can say "WHOA" and he stops dead.

    While my team has a lot of time under their harness, when I begin working them at the start of each year, I ground drive them. I have a gravel road and when I know everyone is at work we go out, I as them to turn, to stand, to do half turns, backing as one. I get exercise, which I need, and they get out and we have a relaxing walk, refreshing on everything they would do on the fore cart.

    How do you do half turns? I am not driving a team and I am (at least sitting at a chair in front of the computer) having trouble seeing how to do a half turn with a single.

    We have been concentratingn on smoothness. No shape bends - he has been ridden so much lately he has fortten that the cart is goign to take longer to turn. "WHOA" is a constant that I don't think it is possible to work too much on. We also work on standing for long periods of time - just in case.

    I have also added an overcheck to his harness - actually his new harness came with one and I have been using it. The person who taught me to drive thought overchecks were the devil - but I found that with Shaman's natural headset, we almost never engage it.

    Would this help you with making your horse more supple? Hope it helps.

    Please please tell me more about the half turns - it might just be that I know it by a different name, but I woudl like to learn!

    Thanks for the help!!! I will try to get pics this weekend and ask for your opinion!
         

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