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  • How wide of a single tree does my pony need
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    09-04-2012, 08:23 AM
  #11
Green Broke
This Chart is a good referance, Might need to make slight adjustments, but I would not go smaller than 36" on a draft. This chart reads a 36" singletree for a 17 HH horse.

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    09-04-2012, 01:15 PM
  #12
Foal
I would agree with the two Draft people who said to measure the horse. Drafts come in LOTS of body styles, sizings, so you want to only buy once. Saves time and shipping on returns or trips to the harness shop.

Chart for width of singletrees is probably for carriage driving, pleasure vehicles. Wide singletrees are part of the system for antique vehicles, harness systems using old methods. A Draft might need a 36" width in real life, but might not.

Just so you know, my Sporthorse equines of 17H, do NOT need a singletree that wide. Not on the antique vehicles and not on the modern metal vehicles. They are not small bodied horses, but sure not that wide. That width would be like airplane wings behind them and we would NEVER fit thru some gates in Hazards! Sure would prevent any rubbing of their traces though!!
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    09-04-2012, 01:40 PM
  #13
Green Broke
As I stated Goodhors, It is a reference, and adjustments might have to be made.

As she is not using the singletree for an antique vehicle and not going through hazzards with it, but pulling logs and skids. I stand by not going smaller than 36".
     
    09-05-2012, 10:58 PM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by goodhors    
I would agree with the two Draft people who said to measure the horse. Drafts come in LOTS of body styles, sizings, so you want to only buy once. Saves time and shipping on returns or trips to the harness shop.

Chart for width of singletrees is probably for carriage driving, pleasure vehicles. Wide singletrees are part of the system for antique vehicles, harness systems using old methods. A Draft might need a 36" width in real life, but might not.

Just so you know, my Sporthorse equines of 17H, do NOT need a singletree that wide. Not on the antique vehicles and not on the modern metal vehicles. They are not small bodied horses, but sure not that wide. That width would be like airplane wings behind them and we would NEVER fit thru some gates in Hazards! Sure would prevent any rubbing of their traces though!!
Your true Goodhors that draft horses and light horses are different in a lot of ways, so are what we do with them vs just fine driving.

If you want OP, tomorrow morning when I go out to the harness shed, I can measure the singletree that I use on my Percheron draft team...in fact let me do that tonight while I am thinking about it as we use them to pull logs, skids, wagons, carts and carriages.
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    09-05-2012, 11:18 PM
  #15
Weanling
Alright...my single tree I use for a single draft is 33" long. For the team I use one that is 48" long and both sizes are for Percheron mares that measure 17.2H and are approximately 1750lbs. When someone hasn't worked with a large working draft horse, they often don't know what kind of equipment we use or really what it is for and the purpose behind it. Be sure that the single tree's are made of a good hard wood such as oak. Start slow with your mare and work up her stamina and strength, but I am sure your uncle has taught you well.

Taffy, while your intentions were good, you do fine driving, we do work with our draft horses and I mean that as no disrespect but you honestly don't have a clue as to what size we need because of your fine driving experience. And it is an honest mistake that many who are more involved with fine driving and light horses make.

This is from the DRAFT HORSE site where we order much of our working equipment and harness. The owner of the store is a very knowledgeable man, he has been involved with draft horses for years, if you need help with anything, look him up and give him a shout, they are great folks to work with. I believer that Gary himself has Belgians too.

This is from the Draft Horse Super Store web site:
18” or 20" are for miniatures

22” or 24” Pony sizes

26” or 28” Mules, Haflinger, Saddle horses

30” Draft cross

32” or 34" Draft

36” XL Draft over 2200 lbs




     
    09-05-2012, 11:33 PM
  #16
Weanling
CORRECTION....disregard the 48" one...that is my double tree...been a long day and I am tired. Homework, son enlisting in the Army, and farm chores does that to you....but my single tree IS 33" long.
     
    09-06-2012, 12:46 AM
  #17
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by GreySorrel    
Alright...my single tree I use for a single draft is 33" long. For the team I use one that is 48" long and both sizes are for Percheron mares that measure 17.2H and are approximately 1750lbs. When someone hasn't worked with a large working draft horse, they often don't know what kind of equipment we use or really what it is for and the purpose behind it. Be sure that the single tree's are made of a good hard wood such as oak. Start slow with your mare and work up her stamina and strength, but I am sure your uncle has taught you well.

Taffy, while your intentions were good, you do fine driving, we do work with our draft horses and I mean that as no disrespect but you honestly don't have a clue as to what size we need because of your fine driving experience. And it is an honest mistake that many who are more involved with fine driving and light horses make.

This is from the DRAFT HORSE site where we order much of our working equipment and harness. The owner of the store is a very knowledgeable man, he has been involved with draft horses for years, if you need help with anything, look him up and give him a shout, they are great folks to work with. I believer that Gary himself has Belgians too.

This is from the Draft Horse Super Store web site:
18” or 20" are for miniatures
22” or 24” Pony sizes
26” or 28” Mules, Haflinger, Saddle horses
30” Draft cross
32” or 34" Draft
36” XL Draft over 2200 lbs
Grey Sorrel don't assume because I do "fine Driving" Which is hardly what I do, as I have never driven Hackneys or Saddlebreds, or Saddlesaet Morgans in a show ring, which is what Fine driving is. You are going as far as being condecending to me as I said I would not use a single tree less than 36", which I still would not, pulling logs or a skid. Lets be nasty over 2" okay.

My Fine Driving Draft is 19.1 HH and 2300 pounds, Now you say I don't have a clue as to driving Drafts, I suggest You hold your tounge before you spew forth remarks that might make you look, well, not having a clue as to what you are talking about. I have shown drafts at the Missouri state Fair, Illinois State Fair, Oklahoma State Fair, Ozark Empire Fair, Frainklin, Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington county Fairs, St louis National and several local driving and riding shows. I have taken my Drafts to Bar openings, Golf tournaments, City "days", and numerous parades.

This is my fine driving horse Sam showing off his harness for Smuckers Harness Shop and in the back yard. I can't find photos of Seamus, Ben, Bonnie, Rocky, Hilda or Sailor right now.

Smuckers Harness Shop: Leather Draft Horse Show Harness
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    09-06-2012, 04:40 AM
  #18
Foal
GreySorrel I was frankly floored and shocked to read what you wrote about Taffy without knowing her. And while she can defend herself quite nicely and has, I have to add I've seen her posts all over this forum. I have universally respected what she has written and at times have learned a great deal from what she's posted.

We posted here because we are excited for the OP who has picked himself up a nice Belgian Mare whom looks to be top notch. He's investing time and effort to ask really smart questions both in this thread and elsewhere. Those of us Draft folks wandering around are doing our best to help him out. That is what is important. Its not a my advice verses your advice or Taffy's advice contest. The OP can read what everyone's thoughts are and decide for himself. It's all about helping the OP out with his new mare.

You aren't the only one with Drafts. Those of us that love horses almost universally love Drafts as well and even own a few. I am always universally suspicious of folks that have to go measure things too. Horse people are like factoid geeks. We simply know what our horses wear whether its collar size, bit length, saddle tree size, girth size, haines and tugs, or singletree length, etc.

Anyhow, I agree with Taffy. 36+ for that wide girl, but measure to be sure. And Taffy? Sam's a total hunk! I think I'm in love. :)
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    09-06-2012, 07:31 AM
  #19
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Centaurheart    
GreySorrel I was frankly floored and shocked to read what you wrote about Taffy without knowing her. And while she can defend herself quite nicely and has, I have to add I've seen her posts all over this forum. I have universally respected what she has written and at times have learned a great deal from what she's posted.

We posted here because we are excited for the OP who has picked himself up a nice Belgian Mare whom looks to be top notch. He's investing time and effort to ask really smart questions both in this thread and elsewhere. Those of us Draft folks wandering around are doing our best to help him out. That is what is important. Its not a my advice verses your advice or Taffy's advice contest. The OP can read what everyone's thoughts are and decide for himself. It's all about helping the OP out with his new mare.

You aren't the only one with Drafts. Those of us that love horses almost universally love Drafts as well and even own a few. I am always universally suspicious of folks that have to go measure things too. Horse people are like factoid geeks. We simply know what our horses wear whether its collar size, bit length, saddle tree size, girth size, haines and tugs, or singletree length, etc.

Anyhow, I agree with Taffy. 36+ for that wide girl, but measure to be sure. And Taffy? Sam's a total hunk! I think I'm in love. :)
I had wanted to show that the ADS rules for single tree's is a lot different than what we use for a working draft. It is also different disciplines and two different ways of using your animal. Just because I measured my single tree has NO bearing on my expertise or knowledge, I simply wanted to give the OP correct information. I really personally feel he does not needs such a long single tree for his Belgian.

It is getting rather tiring to have someone you hold in such high regard throw her "expertise" around at a drop of a hat, rest assured she is certainly not the only one who has been there done that nor are her horses.
     
    09-06-2012, 08:22 AM
  #20
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by GreySorrel    
It is getting rather tiring to have someone you hold in such high regard throw her "expertise" around at a drop of a hat, rest assured she is certainly not the only one who has been there done that nor are her horses.
Taffy, while your intentions were good, you do fine driving, we do work with our draft horses and I mean that as no disrespect but you honestly don't have a clue as to what size we need because of your fine driving experience. And it is an honest mistake that many who are more involved with fine driving and light horses make.


Grey Sorrel The only reason I "threw My Expertice" around was after your comment above. And it was only to rebuff your "you don't have a clue" comment.
I try to answer any OP's question to the best of my abilities.

I have never said I was an expert or a professional, but I do have a clue.
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