Do you use a crupper?

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    12-29-2012, 10:45 PM
Green Broke
Do you use a crupper?

Just wondering. :)

I see some people who use them every ride, some people who use them only in the mountains, and some who never use them. When and why do you use one, if you do? Why not, if you don't?
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    12-29-2012, 11:10 PM
I don't use one but they are meant to keep the saddle from slipping forward. Usually you will see Ponies wearing them because saddles on Ponys tend to move around because of their size. The reason I don't use one is because I don't have a slipping forward of the saddle problem. Hope I helped! :)
    12-29-2012, 11:49 PM
Green Broke
I don't have a saddle slipping forward problem 90% of the time. A couple times, I've ridden my horse's neck. Once, I was doing a ride in the Alabama mountains (who knew?) The last two miles were over "Yahoo Mountain", which you went up sharply and than back down gradually. After about 10 minutes of walking down hill, I realized my horse has really cute little ears and -- hey, why is her neck so short? I was riding the poor mare's neck and she was kind enough to stop before it got too bad. I had to get off and reset my saddle before finishing the trail.
    12-30-2012, 02:04 AM
Omg! Lol well then maybe get one for trails so that you don't have that problem again!
    12-30-2012, 02:35 AM
I don't use one on my mule even in the mountains, He has pretty good withers, so the saddle doesn't slide to forward even when I'm going downhill. I don't even have a breast collar either.
    12-30-2012, 02:39 AM
Yeah, usually it's used because the saddle slips forward. However, I think the reason so many endurance riders use them is because a lot of them use treeless saddles, which tend to move around a lot more. That would be a good reason to use a crupper as well. A (non-endurance) friend of mine ALWAYS rides with a crupper and breast plate because, with both of those and horses with good withers, she doesn't have to have the girth as tight. She frequently describes to me how she used to ride and be able to stick her whole arm through the cinch, but that saddle didn't move since the breast collar, the crupper, and withers kept it in place instead. She liked that because she felt the horses had a lot more room to breath.

I was never there and so that is just her account and opinion, but if it did work so well, I've often wondered if something like that would be an advantage in endurance?
    12-30-2012, 04:14 AM
Green Broke
^^ I actually know a guy who competed extensively without a girth. He always had a breast collar, crupper, and a presumably very well fitted saddle. Seemed a little extreme, but apparently it worked for him and he liked it. Next time I see him, I'll have to ask him to discuss in length the advantages he saw in this. Everyone thought he was pretty nutty but if it works, it works. Imagine having to mount from the ground without a girth. That would be my main concern!
    12-30-2012, 09:10 AM
I have to use a crupper with my current aussie saddle, I had it checked by a saddle fitter and it fits well, but it rides up on my mare's shoulders when going downhill. It doesn't even have to be steep terrain, it happens even on gentle slopes. Never happened with my old (too wide) dressage saddle on the same horse. My mare is a TBx with prominent withers.

I do find that I can leave my girth slightly looser with the crupper and breastplate though, which is nice, because this horse is also prone to girth rubs and does much better on multiday camping trips with a looser girth.

My husband's foundation bred paint needs a crupper when riding in the mountains on steep terrain, but on moderate hills she does fine without one.
    12-30-2012, 11:30 AM
I've considered a crupper recently, so thank you for posting this question.
I ride treeless and my horse is witherless. And we ride steep hills constantly.

This may be a silly question, but will a horse buck at 1st?
Is there any downfalls to using a crupper?
    12-30-2012, 11:47 AM
Green Broke
We use cruppers on certain trails with really steep hills in the knobs. Saddles are going to shift forward on those trails no matter how good the fit and everyone I know uses a crupper on those. You may not end up on their neck if you have a good wither but it still moves forward and interferes with the shoulder which you really do not want going downhill.

I also use one on my treeless if I even suspect moderate hills on the upcoming ride. Sitting on your horse's neck while going down hill and its too steep/dangerous to stop is not fun. Happened to me once on thankfully a saint of a horse and we got through it but never again.

I don't use a crupper when I know the trails and I know we won't be on anything too steep.

Yes a horse can buck the first time a crupper is introduced. Some horses don't care and others do. Introduce it at home and let them get used to it.

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