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post #11 of 44 Old 03-24-2013, 01:09 PM
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Im paying about 18 a bag for legends performance, didnt quite get the syntex in the above post. You saying your horse is now better or got worse on Performance ?
But if you read the ingredients, you can cut out the flax, A and biotin sups , with the better feeds. So probably isnt costing more in long run. Is Legends available in your area ?
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No, it's not unfortunately.
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post #13 of 44 Old 03-24-2013, 06:50 PM
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Sorry I was confusing! He is MUCH better on Performance.
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post #14 of 44 Old 03-24-2013, 07:08 PM
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I scrolled down Nutrena websight, looks like XTN is good, you could go Safe choice special and supplement flax seed
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post #15 of 44 Old 03-25-2013, 07:33 AM
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no way Id feed 30% protein feed. Didnt even know they made horsefeed that high.
The idea with ration balancers is to provide all the nutrients, vitamins, minerals, protein that the horse needs to "balance their ration" of forage in a very small serving. Not much fat/fiber/calories. They are ideal for horses who don't need grain to maintain weight, but still provide a balanced diet that pasture/hay might be lacking. Really more of a pelleted supplement than "grain".

A horse eating 6 lbs (minimum amount to meet nutrient requirements on most feeds) of 10% protein feed will actually get MORE protein than a horse eating 1 lb 30% ration balancer. Make sense?

Mine eat 1/2 lb twice daily.

In the winter I feed traditional grain (high fat/fiber, low nsc) when they need the extra grain to maintain weight, but in the summer if I fed 6+ lbs of concentrate they would be obese sausage horses!

I really like this way of feeding in general, but I do wonder if it is not appropriate for endurance horses...
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post #16 of 44 Old 03-25-2013, 09:29 AM
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What you feed depends a lot on your pasture quality and your horse's metabolism.

One of my mares is an easy keeper. She gets pasture in the day, grass hay at night, a tiny amount of Nutrena Safe Choice Special Care (just enough to eat her vitamins) and Trifecta vitamins. Also a salt/mineral block free choice. She does rides just fine with a diet that is almost 100% grass and grass hay.

My other mare is a very hard keeper. She gets pasture in the day, grass hay and alfalfa free choice at night (she won't eat enough grass hay to keep weight on), six pounds Nutrena Safe Choice Special Care, and one pound Nutrena Empower Boost (a high fat rice bran supplement). Also Trifecta vitamins and a salt/mineral block free choice.

I believe in feeding a low NSC diet even if a horse does not have IR. I believe in low sugar in any supplements and adding fat when necessary for adding weight to the horse. I prefer feeding only grass hay and I only add alfalfa when necessary, but I would rather a horse keep weight on with alfalfa rather than adding "bagged" feed if possible. That is why my easy keeper gets a fairly ideal diet (in my mind). Yet you need to be flexible about adding calories in other ways since if I only fed hay to my hard keeper she would not be able to exercise without starving.
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post #17 of 44 Old 03-25-2013, 10:29 AM
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we feed soaked beet pulp(the kind with NO added molassas) whole oats, and ground flax on top of good quality grass hay, and in the summer, pasture.

they have free choice mineral tubs and salt licks, and they get electrolytes before and after rides.

all the horses are sound, happy, and very energetic, plus with the flax their coats look spectacular.

that said, I only have done 25 milers up to this point, and a few times done a ctr one day and endurance the next(50 miles in 24 hours).
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post #18 of 44 Old 03-26-2013, 10:22 PM
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My horse had PSSM, so her diet is a little odd. However, it works great for endurance. She has a lot of steady, "cool" energy.

She gets 2 pounds of Legends performance pellet, 2 cups of Cool Calories as a fat source, an ounce of electrolyte, a digestive supplement, and vitamin E/selenium.

She's turned out 24/7 with a round bale.

EDIT: More people who feed Legends? Yep. I love the stuff too!
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post #19 of 44 Old 03-26-2013, 10:32 PM
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Id dump that cool calories, bad for the joints. Omega 6 fats are an inflamatory, especially when the 6 to 3 ratio is out of wack. Switch to flax or a fish based fat supplement. LIke smart omega 3,
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post #20 of 44 Old 03-26-2013, 11:05 PM
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I consider it a necessary evil. To feed a PSSM horse, you need a TON of fat. A pound a day total. The only way to give it without going broke (and with consideration to what is available where I live) is to feed oils (ick!) or Cool Calories. Despite not being totally ideal, it's better than having a horse with atrophied muscles and azoturia episodes. The lesser of two evils, eh?

Also, I have not noticed any effects on her joints or inflammatory response. (It probably helps that she's on fresh pasture all the time. Helps throw the balance back towards the 3s.)

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