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post #21 of 44 Old 03-27-2013, 06:05 AM
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Bright eyes - you might try checking with your local feed mill / store about whole flax seed. I get 50 lb bags of whole flax seed for $35. You don't have to feed much of it, so it lasts a long time, and I think it ends up being less expensive than cool calories. Some people grind their flax in a coffee grinder - if so, you have to do it right before feeding, as it isn't stable once ground and loses nutrients rapidly and can go rancid quickly too. I just feed it whole, there have been studies showing that the horse breaks down the shell adequately and extracts the nutrients just fine.

I used to feed my horses soybean oil for fat, and saw a huge improvement when I switched to flax seed. We're learning more and more about how important that Omega 3 : 6 ratio really is.
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post #22 of 44 Old 03-27-2013, 06:48 PM
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Yep I concur 100%... Flax seed and fish oils. Leave the soy and corn oils alone. Goes for people too.
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post #23 of 44 Old 03-27-2013, 07:32 PM
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What perfect fat is flax anyway? If I had to feed 2 or 3 pounds of it a day to get the necessary fat content by weight, my horse would never eat it, unfortunately. She's extremely picky. I tried feeding rice bran once upon a time. It's 20% fat. I had to feed 5 pounds a day. She refused to finish it, and eventually refused to touch it.
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post #24 of 44 Old 03-28-2013, 06:10 AM
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Flax seed has significantly higher fat content than rice bran (and much better omega 3:6 ratio!), so you don't need to feed much. I only feed 1 cup twice daily. All of my horses eat it with their grain and don't seem to notice it is there. I think they would eat it plain. It is just tiny brown seeds. I think they would eat it like straight oats. Even if she needs more than she will eat you could substitute part of the horse's daily fat intake with flax.
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post #25 of 44 Old 06-09-2013, 12:49 AM Thread Starter
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I think I have found a good feed. I just wanted to see what y'all think. Purina Horse Feeds - ULTIUM
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I fed Ultium when it first came out in a trial. It was quite "heavy", and sweet, and my mare would NOT eat it at rides. Since my horses have pasture, I only feed enough to have it in their system, so it was not a 'feed change' at a ride.

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post #27 of 44 Old 06-09-2013, 10:03 AM
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concerning Ultima some people feed it, I just looked at the label.
I'm not impressed. cheaper joint inflaming oils, No magnesium, (humm finally got the ingredients magnesium oxide is listed as an ingredient but not on the anylasis sheet, leeds me to believe may not be enough to matter.
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No biotin and a few other nutrients Id expect to be present if Im paying premium price for a feed. If I am paying premium pricing I wouldnt expect to have to turn around and buy supplements for just the basics that this feed lacks.
Looks like cheap feed in a fancy bag.
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concerning Ultima some people feed it, I just looked at the label.
I'm not impressed. cheaper joint inflaming oils, No magnesium, (humm finally got the ingredients magnesium oxide is listed as an ingredient but not on the anylasis sheet, leeds me to believe may not be enough to matter.
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No biotin and a few other nutrients Id expect to be present if Im paying premium price for a feed. If I am paying premium pricing I wouldnt expect to have to turn around and buy supplements for just the basics that this feed lacks.
Looks like cheap feed in a fancy bag.
Sadly most people know far too little horse nutrition (and digestion). I've often thought people should take a course and get certified in it. It's not too unexpected though when you consider what most people eat themselves.
Like so many things it's case of follow the leader (or advertiser) and hope the leader being followed doesn't do more than walk into a ditch you can climb out of vs going off a cliff.

They're always going to be bigger and stronger so you better always be smarter. (One of my grandfather's many pearls of wisdom)
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post #29 of 44 Old 06-09-2013, 04:21 PM
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I am feeding a mix of ADM Powerglo and SafeChoice Perform (coming off the safechoice and onto the ADM). The ADM is the best I can get here having the highest fat and fiber content and the lowest protein that I can get. Luka only gets 2 lbs of that a day along with soaked beet pulp and 2/3 of a feed bucket full of alfalfa Chaffhay. He also gets 24/7 turnout. I am putting weight on him now while we are beginning our conditioning. I know he'll start toning up, but I wanted a good base to start with first as to me he was more hippy/ribby than I liked.

He has free choice salt and mineral licks, but I'm switching over to adding salt his into his feed. The ADM has minerals already in it.

We are working on being dosed with electrolytes as well.
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post #30 of 44 Old 06-10-2013, 09:12 AM
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ADM,,, no biotin, no magnesium.
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