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post #21 of 25 Old 08-02-2013, 01:21 PM Thread Starter
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I may start with competitive trail too- I need a lot more info- all I know is I love to ride- and be in saddle- and learn new things and try to compete at somepoint- I am not a horse show type person- grew up trail riding- I am learning a lot of arena training and applying it as well as hitting trails- I love to be in saddle- 3-5 hrs at a time if I get lucky enough to be able to do it- and when it was colder out I was putting about 30 miles in 4 days. Some days doing min of 5 and maximum of 14 miles- mostly at a walk- but want to incorporate some trotting to build some endurance- I am up for anything on horseback. The pulsing down and technical stuff is a bit overwhelming- I will have to hit some clinics or pair up with somebody who knows- because I don't. I can't afford a lot in next few yrs but I will do whats within my budget.
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post #22 of 25 Old 08-02-2013, 05:52 PM
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That Friesian/Saddlebred takes after her Friesian sire. With the exception of a small star on the cross they could be twins. Same look, size, build, behavior.

I've always been at a lose for where some people came to think that the Friesian is a carriage horse (no more so that the Lipizzaner, which also had a version bred as a carriage horse prior to the WW)
The classical Friesian, ridden for centuries, is a classical baroque horse. Like the Lipizzaner. Not so long ago, before WW I, some breeders started breeding slightly heavier Friesians for farm work. There were already some being bred lighter as a result of Cav being lighter. Between the 3 types the differences are not very significant. The classical baroque Friesian is still a solid, strong, dependable riding horse. The heavier type is just a slightly heavier version of the baroque type. The light version a bit lighter and looks very much like a Frisian Sporthorse. Both the baroque and light types can jump pretty well (contrary to what many people seem to think ). The baroque version will be less likely to win a race against the lighter one, but they have the strength, build and personality that made them great heavy warhorses (which is why the nobility loved them so much if they could get them).

My Friesian crosses bare no resemblance (physical or emotional) to their mothers. With the exceptions of the white on their face they look like their Friesian sires. The heavier, but shorter, baroque one loved to jump the 44" fence that divided the pasture so we had put up a higher line on top (and explained why the breeder didn't have shorter dividing fences ). The lighter one has the same sporty build of her sire. I've yet to find anything of the Saddlebred in either of them. Their behavior, build, performance is just like their sires....except that their sires were 17 hh and 17.2 hh so my mares are shorter than their dads.
With the possible except of the younger one loving to stick her tail up like a flag pole when she's strutting around the pasture. That is a very Saddlebred behavior.

That Friesian crosses can successfully compete in distance races (even if they don't win ) should not come as a surprise. They are more likely to have the heavier cannon bones and wider loins that makes them better suited for carrying the riders weight with less negative impact on the horse.

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Originally Posted by furryfriendshelter View Post
Well I have a Friesian and I realize that- mixing with them is supposed to give more bone to Arabian- and still have some qualities from both- but who knows. That's why I am asking if anybody has them or heard of them being used to do endurance :)
I have never heard of anyone that would cross another breed with an Arab to get "more" bone. Arabs have denser bone than other horses - they are the ones used in crosses to add bone density...
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Originally Posted by Faceman View Post
I have never heard of anyone that would cross another breed with an Arab to get "more" bone. Arabs have denser bone than other horses - they are the ones used in crosses to add bone density...
Medical evidence to the contrary (but then people do many things based on what they've heard, but that aren't fact)
All things being equal (proper amount of CA and prober P to CA ratio, other minerals...while "mommy" is carrying it around) all horses are born with the same bone density. Additional bone density is the result of modeling and remodeling which comes as a result of what's done during the life of the horse after it's born (and bone size can be increased this way too). Arabians are born with no more bone density than other breeds.
Friesians are popularly used for their heavier bone, because they have a heavy build it results in heavier/larger bones. This allows you to have a head start on getting the size, but the process of modeling and remodeling for density is the same as with any horse....proper load bearing for stress is what increases density.
It's not the Arabians bones that make it so popular and successful in endurance racing or for cross breeding. There are plenty of horse breeds that, like the Arabian, have short backs, with wide (and wider) loins and can have their bones modeled in the same way for equal density. What makes the Arabian stand out for certain things is that as a breed (all things being equal) it produces animals that are faster then the other breeds which have short backs and wide loins. For example the Rocky Mountain Horse and Friesian (just to grab two...there are more) have short backs, wide loins and often (especially in the Friesians case) a more powerful build, but all things being equal (the same diet, conditioning, training, bone modeling, etc....) non of the other breeds can on average maintain the sustained speed that an Arabian is capable of. So while they can finish the endurance race still in good condition it's unlikely (virtually impossible) that they'll ever come in ahead of an Arabian that's been equally well conditioned.
The Arabian has been popular for cross breeding in the development of new breeds or for improving existing breeds for two traits.
1. Most often for endurance with speed to improve racing ability which is how the TB was created (they can out run an Arabian, but can't maintain it for as long)
2. In cases where the desire was to lighten and/or reduce the size of heavier riding breeds (although it's not as common a use today).

Just as Friesians were most often used:
1. To cool off hotter breeds giving them an easier attitude.
2. Provide more size in bone, muscle and strength.
Of course today a you find people using them to add a "look", but that wasn't the traditional reason for adding their bloodline. Outside of a show ring or movie industry I don't see having a "look" serving much of a functional purpose. (Sorry to all those show people who are into that, but that's just my opinion )
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That is what I have read before too- thanks for posting. So far at 3 mo old she has a very up floating athletic trot- eyes are pretty expressive more Arabian but height more on Friesian- has a good brain- but very reactive . Very fast learner- and loves to show off her trot and run and buck- quite the personality! Will be cool to see how she turns out- Thanks for all input.
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