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    01-27-2013, 03:34 AM
  #11
Foal
Thanks, really helpful! So....I got another odd question....how are you supposed to go to the bathroom on the long rides??? Lol what if its just dessert flat, like my first ride in April.......weird question, I know! Lol
     
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    01-27-2013, 04:02 AM
  #12
Yearling
If there is nothing to get behind, either lose your inhibitions, hold it, or teach your horse to lay down so you can hide behind them.
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    01-27-2013, 08:45 AM
  #13
Weanling
Have you read Angie Mcghee's book "The Lighter Side of Endurance Riding?" It's great and very funny. Anyway, she describes the three things you need in a good endurance horse. If I remember right, it's Mind, Metabolic and Legs. I don't have the book with me so I might be quoting wrong, but basically the idea is that you have to have at least two out of three.

If you have great feet and legs so your horse is never lame, and your horse eats, drinks, cools down, poops and pees no matter what, then it's OK if they're totally nutso on occasion (to some riders anyway). Or else have to be pushed along the trail.

And if they're very sane, calm, willing and are also never lame, then you can rate them well enough to deal with the cooling and metabolic issues.

Likewise, if you have a horse with a great attitude that wants to go and has no metabolic problems, then you can deal with a lameness on occasion.

But if you only have one of these, then you'll end up too frustrated and the horse will not work out for endurance. Sometimes the reason Quarter Horses don't work out is because they have both metabolic issues (difficulty cooling) and also lack the mental drive to keep going over the miles. If your horse has the mental drive, then you can deal with the metabolic.
     
    01-27-2013, 09:43 AM
  #14
Green Broke
While I am pretty much a sink or swim kinda guy, I think you should get involved in AERC or more likely some CTR groups and find a mentor. Endurance starts at 50 miles. Not to say there is anything wrong with LD's (Limited Distance) of 25-35. Sorry but any horse cannot do endurance. The horse pictured is definetly not suited for it. Asking him to do it would be like asking a shetland pony to carry me. While they could probably get through the task, probably not the best route to take.
With a decent amount of conditioning and paying attention to nutrition and electrolytes, you may be able to get him through some cool weather LD's. Going back in time you do see some QH's doing endurance, but back in time pretty much any stock horse was refered to as a QH, also we didnt have the muscle bound halter class types like yours that we do now.
Volunteer as ride staff at an AERC event, maybe get involved with the shorter distance fun rides or competitive trail. Maybe look in to ACTHA, you do have a horse suited for that and sounds like it would be right up your alley.
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    01-27-2013, 11:27 AM
  #15
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
While I am pretty much a sink or swim kinda guy, I think you should get involved in AERC or more likely some CTR groups and find a mentor. Endurance starts at 50 miles. Not to say there is anything wrong with LD's (Limited Distance) of 25-35.
CTR and endurance are NOT the same thing and usually appeal to completely different people. To the OP - please don't confuse the two thinking that doing a CTR will be similar to endurance. There are certain qualities that are the same, but the events are completely different with different goals, practices, and outcomes. It'd be like me saying you should to Western Pleasure in order to get into Reining. As for any horse being able to do it, no. Almost any BREED can do endurance or LD's, most individual HORSES, can do LD's as long as they're fit and ridden correctly, fewer can do endurance. There are even Arabians not cut out to do endurance. As far as starting at 50 miles - yes, this is important once you really get into it, but if you want to do "endurance", generally most people would be happy with doing 25's and I know a few "professional LD-ers" that have thousands of LD miles. They enjoy their LD's just as much as I enjoy any distance, if not more.

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Sorry but any horse cannot do endurance. The horse pictured is definetly not suited for it. Asking him to do it would be like asking a shetland pony to carry me. While they could probably get through the task, probably not the best route to take.
With a decent amount of conditioning and paying attention to nutrition and electrolytes, you may be able to get him through some cool weather LD's. Going back in time you do see some QH's doing endurance, but back in time pretty much any stock horse was refered to as a QH, also we didnt have the muscle bound halter class types like yours that we do now.
Volunteer as ride staff at an AERC event, maybe get involved with the shorter distance fun rides or competitive trail. Maybe look in to ACTHA, you do have a horse suited for that and sounds like it would be right up your alley.
And here's where I am very frustrated with your response. You have NO IDEA what this horse is capable of, and are wrong to say that this horse is "definitely" not suited for endurance.

First, the horse has fuzzies and has not been conditioned, which makes a big difference in how the horse looks. It could look like a completely different horse when it's race fit.

Second, there are actually quite a few quarter horses of all builds doing endurance. Yes, even the stocky ones. In fact, the one that my friend rides is built like a tank, muscly, stocky, etc. Everything that'd make you think it'd be terrible at endurance. HOWEVER - she consistently top ten AND got her Sandybaar award from the PNER conference, awarded to a horse that has 10 consecutive rides without a pull. She does great, and even BC's. At 230 lbs when she weighs in, no wonder she needs a stocky horse! (Yes, I'm aware that an Arab could easily carry her, but she feels much more comfortable on top of a tank)

Third, you'd be surprised what breeds do compete. I have even heard of DRAFT horses completing the Tevis. Rarely, but it does occur, proving that even unlikely breeds can be successful. If you look up the Tevis results, you'll see the breeds of all the horses. Lets see here....

2011:
Saddlebred
Kentucky Mt.
Paint
Mustang
Grade Morgan
Rocky Mt
Shagya
Appaloosa
Mule
Friesian X
Akhal-Teke
Mustang/QH
Miss-Fox-Trotter
N.F. Horse
TW
American Bashkir Curly
Paso Fino
Mustang


On a related note, I noticed there are more stock horses on that list than Walkers....
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    01-27-2013, 11:29 AM
  #16
Yearling
OP, my point is that you'll need to try endurance before you'll know whether your horse is up to it. What someone else said about the "Ligher side of Endurance" was great about the three things your horse needs. Never read the book myself, but it sounds about right :)

I just get frustrated because certain posters prefer to sink before they ever try swimming.
     
    01-27-2013, 12:29 PM
  #17
Green Broke
Looking at tevis you'll finds onesy and twoseys of other breeds, then 200 arabians ,
The OP asked if her horse was suitable for endurance, Not fun rides of 12 miles, or LD;s but endiurance IE 50 plus miles. And nope it isnt. And neither is a draft horse. Your simply asking it to do something it wasnt built for. Sure condition the heck out of it, and you can squeak by at a turtle pace and MAYBE pulse down most of the time.
Im the first to admit my walkers will never be contendors, You know why ? Because they arnt suited for endurance. I do it anyway because that's what I have out in the field. And yep I get pulled for pulse when it gets hot. SO now I pretty much will stick to cold weather rides.
My sink or swim issue was about the rider, soulds like the OP has limited trail experience and would benifit from a mentor or working a vet check. Also sounds like they would really enjoy ACTHA much better than endurance.
     
    01-27-2013, 04:29 PM
  #18
Yearling
My point is that other breeds are fully capable of doing endurance and are used to do so. This onesy or twosey of other breeds represents that horses of other breeds can be quite accomplished in endurance and do quite well. Yes, Arabs and a few other breeds are built for endurance and, if you have one, you have a better chance of having a horse that's able to be successful (depending on your definition of success) and competitive. However, the OP didn't ask whether she would be able to be competitive - she asked
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Do you think he would even have a shot at finishing?
And yes, he does. Definitely at the LD level as long as he is fit and healthy. And, if she's lucky, he'll have the motivation to. As she indicated, this horse does move, so I think she'll have a blast using him for rides. I would not be any more or less inclined to tell her that her QH could be successful in LD's or 50's as I would someone who owned an Arabian. Her horse could even be Top 10 and Tevis-worthy. At the same time, he could be none of the above. We surely cannot tell from a picture - she'll just have to ride him to find out. As far as having a shot at finishing? I'd say, with what we know from this post, he definitely has a shot at finishing.

I do agree that she and every other person new to endurance, regardless of trail experience, should get a mentor and volunteer at rides before they attempt to ride in one. Maybe even bring your horse along to see how he acts and take a little trail ride and learn how to follow the ribbons :)

I see no indication that she would enjoy ATCHA better than endurance. As you pointed out, she asked about ENDURANCE, which I do feel that LD's are a very important part of, and much more closely related than Competitive Trail in every way.

It's a bit hypocritical that you go and tell the OP that her horse is not capable of doing endurance while you do endurance with a horse "not typical" in then endurance world. You're right, each horse has to be ridden in a way that meets its needs, but that takes a lot more into account than just the breed. Like you, she wants to do endurance with what she already has, and simply wants to finish. Her horse may perform better or worse than yours, but that's simply something you cannot know from what she posted. If your horses are truly only capable of what you're saying, then there are indeed draft horses (and horses of other breeds and even TWH's) out there that do much better in endurance.

From this and other posts I've seen from you, it seems that you know some about endurance, but have a lot to learn still. Heck, I'll admit that I have a lot to learn. However, repeating the same stereotypes about endurance are what prevent people from ever trying this sport in the first place, one of which that you NEED an Arab to be competitive or even compete. The great thing about this sport is that it's open to anyone, and anyone can be successful to a certain extent as long as their horse is healthy and fit (I know many people whose best endurance horse was a grade rescue horse). Beyond that, there are certain things that make you more likely to succeed at higher levels, like going faster, placing better, and going farther, but there is no "sure" combination that's guaranteed to get there, and you'd be surprised and what things people have succeeded with.
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    01-27-2013, 04:32 PM
  #19
Yearling
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Originally Posted by grayshell38    
If there is nothing to get behind, either lose your inhibitions, hold it, or teach your horse to lay down so you can hide behind them.
Hahaha I can just imagine teaching my horse to lay down to hide me while I'm peeing!!

Unfortunately, I don't think I drink enough on the trail and usually don't have to pee except at the vet checks. And on ride days, I don't eat enough to have to take care of a #2! When I've ridden with another person, we just step behind our horse and have a lookout for anybody coming!
     
    01-27-2013, 04:45 PM
  #20
Yearling
By the way, this is my friend's grade quarter horse that she consistently Top 10's and BC's with. Muscly much? But yet, still a very competitive horse that my full Arab cannot keep pace with.

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