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    08-12-2012, 12:02 PM
  #1
Yearling
TWH for endurance - pace or trot?

Forgive me if my terminology is incorrect as I'm not all that familiar with gaited horses - when I refer to "pacing", I mean when her legs on the right move forward together, then the ones on the left, creating a two-beat gait.

My training partner has just started conditioning her TWH for an LD's. We were told by my endurance club president that we want to get her to trot rather than pace on the trail. The horse is still figuring out her gaits, but why is this? Is the pace less efficient? Any opinions on this?
     
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    08-12-2012, 12:22 PM
  #2
Showing
Most gaited horses (I believe there's one exception, though it's called something else) should not pace. Usually when they pace, their bodies aren't able to perform a true 4-beat gait, either because of breeding and conformation or balance and how they're carrying themselves. Often, gaited horses will pace when they're strung out or hollow through the back.

If your horse is a TWH, you should be trying to encourage the natural 4-beat gait characteristic of that breed. To do this he'll need to learn to carry himself in a balanced manner to raise his back and free up his shoulders.

A trot is probably preferable to a pace in a gaited horse, but neither are technically correct for a walker.
     
    08-12-2012, 12:25 PM
  #3
Foal
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Originally Posted by jillybean19    
Forgive me if my terminology is incorrect as I'm not all that familiar with gaited horses - when I refer to "pacing", I mean when her legs on the right move forward together, then the ones on the left, creating a two-beat gait.

My training partner has just started conditioning her TWH for an LD's. We were told by my endurance club president that we want to get her to trot rather than pace on the trail. The horse is still figuring out her gaits, but why is this? Is the pace less efficient? Any opinions on this?
Not sure if your club president is familiar with TWH's, traditionally TWH don't pace...if they are pacing, then their rack or running walk is getting sloppy, and you will need to invest in some dvd's to sort your horse out. Standardbreds are the breed that pace, and are used for harness racing.

One of the main attractions for using a TWH is the comfortable gait, and no need to post for a trot. TWH can be taught to trot, but then you might as well get an Arab if you want to post and not ride a comfortable gait.
     
    08-12-2012, 01:14 PM
  #4
Yearling
Honestly, I'm not sure what the horse is doing and I don't think my friend or her horse does either. From talking to her, I don't think she knows her gaits beyond a walk, trot, or lope. I know I don't have a good enough eye to see what the footfalls are doing, what is correct, and can't keep the gaits straight. I have an Arab and a QH, so I don't have to worry about it lol.

I guess my question is, what gait SHOULD this horse be conditioning at? And what does that look like?

*Clueless*
     
    08-12-2012, 01:28 PM
  #5
Foal
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Originally Posted by jillybean19    
Honestly, I'm not sure what the horse is doing and I don't think my friend or her horse does either. From talking to her, I don't think she knows her gaits beyond a walk, trot, or lope. I know I don't have a good enough eye to see what the footfalls are doing, what is correct, and can't keep the gaits straight. I have an Arab and a QH, so I don't have to worry about it lol.

I guess my question is, what gait SHOULD this horse be conditioning at? And what does that look like?

*Clueless*
The analogy I can give you is that a TWH is really a classy standardbred. When you are conditioning them, you will find that most of them like to do do a slow running walk. Their running walk is not a pace, it is more of a classy pace, unless that gait is 2 beat, than that is a pace, and will be very uncomfortable in the saddle. When I first started legging up my TWH, all he wanted to do was a slow running walk, which I had to stop and bring him back to a walk, till I was satisfied that his initial LSD was starting to bring his fitness along.

I work my guy in soft sand on the flats and the hills...at the moment I do a lot of intervals when we are doing out LSD's....meaning once he is warmed up, I will let him do 1 km of whatever he wants on a loose rein, which is usually a slow running walk/rack the first 10-15 km, and then on my terms for the next km, I will kick him up a gear on his running walk until we are travelling at least 10km per hour pace.

That's just how we train. I look to his heart rate the next morning, and recovery when we get back to the property to see how his LSD training is going, and weather his pace or distance needs to be modified.
     
    08-12-2012, 07:16 PM
  #6
Green Broke
It's comfort IMO. A pace is a rougher ride than the trot. I hate it when my mare goes into a pace and I always stop it immediately and get her back into a flat walk or running walk....
     
    08-12-2012, 07:43 PM
  #7
Showing
^ I think it depends. My 25-yr old paces; he has for the last 15 years and we're still winning in easy-gaited pleasure classes because it's a really pleasurable, smooth gait--even if it is a pace. It's just as smooth as the largo he sometimes gives me, but still not preferable to the largo because he's not using his hind end as much.
     
    08-12-2012, 08:52 PM
  #8
Green Broke
Depends on the walker and what lines. Bo is more show line, He has a high stepping rack and a rocking chair super smooth canter. I can shift in between those gaits while maintaining about the same speed by shifting my weight forward or back. When he gets tired he has a bone jarring trot.
My big mare is old plantation stock, she flat out cruises. She has a trail gait, and then a flat run walk with not alot of foot lifting that is about 11 mph. Then she has a throw you out of the saddle bouncy canter, maybe pace, not sure. I yell at her tell her to stop that crap. Going to depend on your horse it shold be smooth.
     
    08-12-2012, 09:23 PM
  #9
Started
Joe- Love your descriptions! Too bad I can't just skip working on my QH's trot all together, it's horrible. Working on getting a jog, but his lope is fantastic. Seems like most horses have a gait that isn't all it could be.

OP- do you have a smart phone or a digital camera? It might be worth setting it up on a fence rail and letting it record you riding for a couple minutes, then looking the vid over to see what she was doing while you were working. In lieu of an observer or mirrors, it can be a good way to see what you're both doing!
     
    08-12-2012, 10:28 PM
  #10
Yearling
Well, my friend said the ride was smooth, so from the comments it doesn't sound like she's pacing. Like I said, I am far from being an expert in gaits. All I know is it looked like her feet on the same side were moving together, but that's just compared to the trot that is completely the opposite. I was riding my own horse, so I'm not sure if her feet were touching the ground at the same time or not.
     

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