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post #1 of 8 Old 08-05-2008, 09:06 AM Thread Starter
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1/2 a beat off

I have read all of your posts and answers in regards to diagonals.
I am always a 1/2 a beat off-when the outside shoulder begins to move forward I should be moving forward with it right? And when the shoulder is at its apex of forward movement my butt should be off the saddle and preparing to go back down right? I do the two beat count when I miss it and try again-maybe I need some marvin gaye to ride with? Sonny is not a quick stepper so I don't get why I lag back-any ideas?

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post #2 of 8 Old 08-05-2008, 09:57 AM
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I don't know about anyone else, but when I'm rising in the trot the movement of the forward shoulder doesn't correspond exactly with the horse pushing me up. I'm trying to remember which comes first now, but I have a habit of misreading the shoulder so that I'm actually sitting as it's coming forwards. I think this is right (I'll check tonight!), but the horse actually nudges me up just about as the shoulder moves furthest back, I.e. At the very end of the outside fore/inside hind being on the ground.

The main problem I have is reacting too late: I start to rise when I realise the shoulder is coming forwards, which means that as the horse puts me into the right rhythm (rising should never be an effort, always be a natural function of the way the horse pushes you up), I'm on the wrong diagonal. I find the easiest way to avoid this is to concentrate on sitting, rather than rising: it's somehow easier to sit as the shoulder goes back than to rise as I think it's going forwards.

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post #3 of 8 Old 08-05-2008, 10:22 AM Thread Starter
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maybe that is what I am doing wrong???i thought as the inside hind leg puches forward the outside fore leg goes forward and that was when I was to rise in the saddle and sit as those 2 legs go back

With sonny I can't watch (sneek a peek) at his shoulder going clockwise as he has so much hair and it is all on that side-braids come out almost immediatly (the low on neck ones) he also has zero withers so the shoulder is hard to see adn still keep him from going through a fence or wall-oh ya he will not turn on his own-
I only have about 30 days to get this down-we are doing great at everything else but my posting! It is frustrating.
Thanks Claire

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Yeah, you sit as the outside fore (and inside hind) go back, so that you're out of the saddle when they move forwards. But I find that the timing of the rising isn't exactly in sync with what you see of the shoulder. You'll know you're in the right rhythm because it's impossible to rise if you're not - the horse will jolt you up and out of the saddle in the right timing. It's a matter of getting the right jolt so you're on the correct diagonal.

I find that if I try specifically to rise as the outside shoulder goes forward, I'm reacting too late and so end up on the wrong diagonal. But if I concentrate on sitting as the outside shoulder goes back, I'm more likely to get it right. Probably because it's easier to drop down quickly than it is to push yourself up!

If the shoulder movement isn't clear, I definitely recommend watching for it to come back, as that always seems the most obvious movement to me. I was talking with one of my instructors about feeling the diagonal, and she says that she's never really got the hang of that, so don't worry if you never do!

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post #5 of 8 Old 08-05-2008, 02:04 PM Thread Starter
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thank you so much-i just willhate being thrown out of the show for posting stupid!!!! Can't you jsut see it-my huge sonny doing great and the human messes it up with something even small children get :(

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But if I concentrate on sitting as the outside shoulder goes back, I'm more likely to get it right. Probably because it's easier to drop down quickly than it is to push yourself up!
yep yep yep - that's what I do - - and the way i've always taught it :)

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post #7 of 8 Old 08-06-2008, 12:08 PM Thread Starter
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I practiced this last night claire/kickshaw-it was much better . I also found that I am truely rising instead of thrusting the pelvis-takes a lot more work and more time to do it incorrectly for sure. I am doing the sing song thing too which helps me a bit. Poor sonny-i appreciate all the help you ladies and gents are.

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The first few strides of sitting the trot without stirrups, I'm always feeling an urge to rise, but I've got nothing to rise with xD At first I used to do too much when I was rising, but my instructor made me relax and let the horse provide the motion. I'm glad it's going easier for you and that we could help!

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