Originally Posted by Kayty
Yep but am I a teacher? Nope. And don't plan to be one either ;) PLus, if my coach told me that the sun shined out of my backside every lesson I would find someone who nitpicked. If you don't hear the negatives- along with an explanation of WHY it is a negative, you're never going to learn. And I think I have stated pretty clearly the sort of work the OP should do if she wants to get her horse through.
And down hill.... so? I'll have to dig out a photo of a Qhxappy mare that I had for a while. SHE was downhill, the OP's horse has nothing on her ;) And I competed her at State dressage championships up to elementary training some medium movements etc. within a year, from having done nothing other than a few trail rides.
I really don't care if the horse is downhill if you're just wanting to get it over its back.
hmm, I don't know why you are reading into my posts and putting words in them that aren't there... but here is more clarification for you.
I didn't say to only point out the positives either. Positives and negatives need to be accompanied together or else people will get frustrated.
Also if you don't want to teach, why are you on this thread?
Just to clarify. I saw nowhere in the original post the question " is my horse collected?" ( though I will look again) it seems she wanted to know if her horse was through and working from back to front properly.
But I will humor you and carry on the subject of collection
As you (or someone)stated in an earlier post, collection and self carriage takes muscle and proper conditioning....so if this horse is downhill and just starting to get proper conditioning, it is hardly fair for us to pick it apart. Even with correct riding it will take time.
I am saying is we don't know alot about this horse's conformation ,fitness level etc for us to pic it apart or the riding.
We only know what we see from a picture that is only what is happening that second.
You can take a picture of a horse that is being ridden FEI grand prix and have a split second look downhill and not tracking up and the rest of the test look amazing.
If you looked at the main subject of my post I pointed out a good way for the OP HERSELF to test if her horse is in self carriage. Not us. And explain how a horse reaches over his back from the impulsion of the hindlegs.
The top of the pyramid scale is collection. But you can't have collection without impulsion and coming over the horse back, you keep talking like it is a different thing all together and that they are seperate. When really collection is the end point of impulsion
Collection is recycling the energy of the hindlegs over the back up the neck and back again. collection
is inextricably connected to extension.
I agreed the horse could come under himself more.
Also a horse CAN be high withered and low in the croup and still not be collected and be INVERTED (leg mover).
Examples would be of a horse doing piaffe and have the animation of the front end and raising, but no lowering of the croup and no animation of the hock. I see a lot of Grand prix horses today with all forhand action no hindleg action.
Which would be called a flat,contracted piaffe.
Just because a horse raises his front end doesn't mean he is collected. There also has to be lowering of the hindend.