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        01-07-2014, 12:05 AM
      #11
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by equitate    
    Horse POed, not really. Out of balance and struggling-for sure. Horses do not love or hate, they merely try to 'get alone' within the perimeters we set for them whether they are fair or not. So we have to have clear ideas of what we want and how to get there. And try to always set them up for success and not failure or things which can be injurious (even though sometimes it may just be because we don't know what we don't know).

    Honest question for a h/j rider: would you try to land off a fence and turn in this way? Likely no. The perimeters are much the same.
    Yes I admit it was off balance, but we have further advanced on building up balance on circles- not exactly this extreme though. Thank you for an understanding comment. I really wish I could delete this thread because it is obviously bringing about unintended comments…. *sigh*

    I was only following instruction here and we were trying something new- I do not know anything about dressage but I trusted my instructor who does. I take into consideration the safety and health of my horse which is why I haven't attempted this since- but it was an honest moment of feeling good about how well he tried.

    I realize perhaps it did come across as a set up for critique, but I pointed out I didn't want it afterwards, (since my original post won't let me edit) yet it continues on….. I would have posted in a critique thread originally if I wanted critique. My intent for this post was a proudful moment that he is trying at ground aids. I didn't expect this feedback and I am really disheartened by it.
         
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        01-07-2014, 12:07 AM
      #12
    Weanling
    Not worth being defensive. That said, following directions to do a canter P? First thing is two fold: be able to collect almost onto the spot, and secondly be able to rider a good shoulder in and travers (esp on a curved line)....yes even for a h/j rider.

    Unanswered question: Honest question for a h/j rider: would you try to land off a fence and turn in this way?

    (use this thread as a LEARNING opportunity....)
         
        01-07-2014, 12:13 AM
      #13
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by equitate    
    Not worth being defensive. That said, following directions to do a canter P? First thing is two fold: be able to collect almost onto the spot, and secondly be able to rider a good shoulder in and travers (esp on a curved line)....yes even for a h/j rider.

    Unanswered question: Honest question for a h/j rider: would you try to land off a fence and turn in this way?

    (use this thread as a LEARNING opportunity....)
    Sorry, but I am defensive about these kinds of things because I have worked very hard with my horses and take it very much to heart when someone calls out that I am 'endangering them'. I'm sorry if I came across as confrontational. I am not trying to be, but I hope you see my intent. :P

    I would very much like to learn about dressage and love any constructive help, but this was NOT the intent of this post- which is why I replied in such a manner. I did not realize how it may have come across and I'm sorry I worded the original message weird.

    I would not try to land this way - honestly, I had NO clue what I was doing. It was a short lesson and this was a one and only take at trying this.
         
        01-07-2014, 12:17 AM
      #14
    Trained
    OP, you have handled this much more maturely than many I have seen on here. I have seen people flat out throw fits at the comments thrown.

    Other posters, whether or not I agree with what the OP is doing is completely irrelevant (and my opinion is useless as I know nothing of dressage anyhow), however this is not in the critique section and it is not your job to educate her. The concerns have been voiced, I think that it is best to leave it alone for now. She has an instructor, she obviously knows that it is not a decision that has been continued, why continue to reply with the same concerned comments? It's not as if she is doing this every day, simply one time, and has admitted to it being a shy attempt.

    I know many say "it's for people reading the thread later". However, that's also irrelevant, as your concerns HAVE already been voiced and anyone reading this later will know.

    Back to the OP, you have a very good looking horse on your hands. Do post some pictures for us sometime, doing h/j like you do best okay? Don't be too disheartened. This forum is a tough one to get on with but once you do then we really are pretty good to each other. I would hate to lose one of the more mature newer members, when we get so few of those.
         
        01-07-2014, 12:19 AM
      #15
    Trained
    Regardless of if you believe you are endangering your horse or not, you are.
    I would not take my horse and jump a 1.40m fence or gallop a 2* eventing course, because he is not conditioned or trained to do those things. It is the same as going to the gym and over exerting yourself - it causes injury. Dressage movements are not something to be attempted when one has "no clue" about what they are doing.

    If you want to learn about dressage - you must start from the bottom like the rest of us. Not just picking up an FEI movement to see what happens.
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        01-07-2014, 12:24 AM
      #16
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
    OP, you have handled this much more maturely than many I have seen on here. I have seen people flat out throw fits at the comments thrown.

    Other posters, whether or not I agree with what the OP is doing is completely irrelevant (and my opinion is useless as I know nothing of dressage anyhow), however this is not in the critique section and it is not your job to educate her. The concerns have been voiced, I think that it is best to leave it alone for now. She has an instructor, she obviously knows that it is not a decision that has been continued, why continue to reply with the same concerned comments? It's not as if she is doing this every day, simply one time, and has admitted to it being a shy attempt.

    I know many say "it's for people reading the thread later". However, that's also irrelevant, as your concerns HAVE already been voiced and anyone reading this later will know.

    Back to the OP, you have a very good looking horse on your hands. Do post some pictures for us sometime, doing h/j like you do best okay? Don't be too disheartened. This forum is a tough one to get on with but once you do then we really are pretty good to each other. I would hate to lose one of the more mature newer members, when we get so few of those.

    Thank you very much for your comment, I just wish there was an edit option so I could go back and clear a few things up hahaha. I am just very protective over the relationship I have with my horses because we have gone through a lot together. This particular horse was a wild stallion until he was five and went through more trainers than I can count on my hands. I was laughed out of the arena at my first show because people knew of him and they thought he was an 'ugly, worthless horse' (actual words from someone).

    I know the intent of these members were all in good heart so I don't really see the point in being angry, just defensive. I have no intention of leaving this site because most of you are really genuine and I like meeting others with the same love as me.

    Here is a picture of us at our last hunter show in 2'6 :)
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        01-07-2014, 12:25 AM
      #17
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    Regardless of if you believe you are endangering your horse or not, you are.
    I would not take my horse and jump a 1.40m fence or gallop a 2* eventing course, because he is not conditioned or trained to do those things. It is the same as going to the gym and over exerting yourself - it causes injury. Dressage movements are not something to be attempted when one has "no clue" about what they are doing.

    If you want to learn about dressage - you must start from the bottom like the rest of us. Not just picking up an FEI movement to see what happens.
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    You can stop commenting now, your opinions are irrelevant to this thread and I have no intention of taking it to heart. I am not endangering my horse.
         
        01-07-2014, 12:35 AM
      #18
    Super Moderator
    On that note, I will repeat what Sorrell so aptly said.....this is not in the critique section. Concerns were voiced and heard. It6 is time to stop hounding the OP.

    OP, I am glad you took on an unpopular project and brought him around. Good for you for going against the tide.
         
        01-07-2014, 12:38 AM
      #19
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    On that note, I will repeat what Sorrell so aptly said.....this is not in the critique section. Concerns were voiced and heard. It6 is time to stop hounding the OP.

    OP, I am glad you took on an unpopular project and brought him around. Good for you for going against the tide.
    Thank you for that, he is an awesome horse and I am truly blessed to have him (:
         
        01-07-2014, 12:47 AM
      #20
    Trained
    Very nice! He is a cute horse, looking very polished in that photo :) Looks like he enjoys his job!
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