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  • Im nervous of cantering any horse after having children

 
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    06-22-2011, 01:45 PM
  #11
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Originally Posted by wetrain17    
I don't understand why would you get a horse that you were afraid of? I can understand wanting to learn a different style of riding, but why chose to do it on a horse that you don't have experience riding? Going from a slower, steady western horse to an OTTB is a big difference.
I WAS scared of her, she doesn't scare me anymore. She's actually a really really great horse who is extremely responsive and actually listens better then the lesson horses. The only reason I was scared of her was because she was very stressed out when I got her and as soon as she got off the trailer all she did was run circles around me. Also Blue(my old guy) isn't a "slower steady western horse" in fact, Bella is easier to ride then him, Blue is an arab/quarter who's personality is ALL arab. He would take off on me all the time and I just got used to galloping and then it became fun, it wasn't fun the first few times he did it, but I was young and speed was less scary then. The only thing is Blue is only 14.2hh and Bella is 16hh. Bella is much MUCH easier to ride. I'd actually think i'd me more scared to take Blue out on the trail today then Bella(although Blue is retired as he's in his mid 30's).

It really doesn't matter which horse I am on, I'm scared of the canter, not of the horse. Yesterday when I was going to canter I kinda screwed myself because I wanted to, but I didn't. What I mean is, while I planned to do it, I didn't prepare to ask for it, so I didn't shorten my reins in preparation to ask I kinda just spur of the moment asked before I could change my mind again, stupid I know,but I had to kinda trick myself into doing it other wise I will keep over thinking it and not do it. Which is what is hard with the lesson horses, I'll ask for a canter, but they can scene that I'm not really "asking" and that I don't mean it, so they don't do it. With Bella, I ask and she does. Last week I was practicing my 2 point around the arena at a trot and she dropped her shoulder and I lost my balance just a bit and when I did that I touched her with my outside leg and she just about cantered, but I stopped her before she could. I should have that day because we were having a REALLY good day lol.

Also about her fast trot, I was just comparing it to the lesson horses trot, Bella is a big mover and really pushes you up with each stride, and her natural pace is faster then Molly's. I can trot her easily now, it just took some getting used to, I can also easily slow her down, as soon as I slow my posting she slows to match me. She really is an amazing horse and we do have a great bond, I just have this stupid mental block when it comes to cantering, when I do ask I stiffen up and then everything falls apart. I joked the other day with my riding instructor that I need to take a muscle relaxer before I'm going to canter lol...I'm thinking I might be able to go out there tonight again and ride, just depends on what time I get out of work. Maybe someone will be there that I can ask to video it for me(Val, my riding instructor, is terrible with a camera, I asked her once and most of the video was of the ground or ceiling). Thanks for listening to my rant, I have to get back to work now, those 50 dogs aren't going to walk themselves lol
     
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    06-22-2011, 01:51 PM
  #12
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How is this a safe situation? I don't understand why someone would put themselves in harms way. Having a green, or difficult horse, with a green rider is a receipe for disaster. What can a green horse learn from a green rider other then how to buck them off?

This horse needs a more experienced rider to put it back in consistant work for a while to work out the kinks. And in the mean time Rachel should learn how to post and balance on a quieter horse, one that wont try to buck her off. You're going to end up in the hospital, or fraustated that the two of you aren't improving.
my horse has never bucked(not saying she never will, but she hasn't once in the year i've owned her), and I can post and balance very well since I started taking lessons in January. Neither Bella nor I are green, nor is she difficult I've been riding for a long time, I just have to get my confidence where it used it be. She has been back in work since april and doing exceptional and we have improved tons since I moved her up to work with her under the instruction of my riding instructor. Having kids really makes you over think things, such as, what if I canter and fall off, then get hurt and can't work or take care of my son. This has nothing to do with Bella, It's just me WAY over thinking everything.
     
    06-23-2011, 07:13 AM
  #13
Showing
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Originally Posted by wetrain17    
What can a green horse learn from a green rider other then how to buck them off?
While I do NOT advocate (as it's not for everyone and not the safest and smartest thing to do) still yes, green rider + green horse CAN learn together and build a good team. And I know several people even on this forum who did that.

With that being said I'm not sure what's the OP's situation.
     
    06-23-2011, 07:34 AM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Rachel1786    
my horse has never bucked(not saying she never will, but she hasn't once in the year i've owned her), and I can post and balance very well since I started taking lessons in January. Neither Bella nor I are green, nor is she difficult I've been riding for a long time, I just have to get my confidence where it used it be. She has been back in work since april and doing exceptional and we have improved tons since I moved her up to work with her under the instruction of my riding instructor. Having kids really makes you over think things, such as, what if I canter and fall off, then get hurt and can't work or take care of my son. This has nothing to do with Bella, It's just me WAY over thinking everything.
I totally sympathise with you! This also is my problem. I'm not scared of the horses I ride but i'm also scared to canter on them. It's a mental block that says "i have kids, cantering is too fast I could get seriously hurt who will look after my child" even when I have my instructor yelling just do it already, sit deep and que NOW, I really want to but something in my head just says nope your not doing it. I was advised to leave life at the barn door but even though you try it's still very difficult. Keep practising and you will get there. I haven't yet but I will one day haha. Keep us posted.
     
    06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
  #15
Foal
I know exactly where you are. I used to be TERRIFIED to canter my mare. She was green, unbalanced, and had a tendency to flip her head around, lean on her inside shoulder, and RUN. I was sort of a twenty-something re-rider, who had never ridden a green horse, and it used to terrify me beyond belief.

I agree with several of the above posters - start by working on YOU. Get access to whatever dead-broke confidence booster you can, and work on the canter. Work on your seat, leg, and overall security. Simultaneously, get someone to work with your mare. Beware of kids who are just going to let her run around like a greenie because she doesn't intimidate them. You need to get someone riding her who will teach her to be slow, steady, and BALANCED at the canter.

After two years of feeble attempts on my own (which ended in a LOT of confidence issues) I sent my mare to a trainer on June 1st. I can't believe she is the same horse. The mare I was scared of is now hopping crossrails and cantering off calmly - even with ME on her!!!

Good luck to you!!! Just keep pressing on, it DOES get better!!!
     
    06-23-2011, 09:50 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by netty83    
I totally sympathise with you! This also is my problem. I'm not scared of the horses I ride but i'm also scared to canter on them. It's a mental block that says "i have kids, cantering is too fast I could get seriously hurt who will look after my child" even when I have my instructor yelling just do it already, sit deep and que NOW, I really want to but something in my head just says nope your not doing it. I was advised to leave life at the barn door but even though you try it's still very difficult. Keep practising and you will get there. I haven't yet but I will one day haha. Keep us posted.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one lol, As I was reading your reply I was laughing because I could relate to it so much. Thank you for replying! It makes me feel better that I'm not the only one!

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Originally Posted by ridingthroughthefear    
I know exactly where you are. I used to be TERRIFIED to canter my mare. She was green, unbalanced, and had a tendency to flip her head around, lean on her inside shoulder, and RUN. I was sort of a twenty-something re-rider, who had never ridden a green horse, and it used to terrify me beyond belief.

I agree with several of the above posters - start by working on YOU. Get access to whatever dead-broke confidence booster you can, and work on the canter. Work on your seat, leg, and overall security. Simultaneously, get someone to work with your mare. Beware of kids who are just going to let her run around like a greenie because she doesn't intimidate them. You need to get someone riding her who will teach her to be slow, steady, and BALANCED at the canter.

After two years of feeble attempts on my own (which ended in a LOT of confidence issues) I sent my mare to a trainer on June 1st. I can't believe she is the same horse. The mare I was scared of is now hopping crossrails and cantering off calmly - even with ME on her!!!

Good luck to you!!! Just keep pressing on, it DOES get better!!!
Luckily my mare is very balanced and has a very nice collected canter, but it doesn't make it any less scary to me lol.
The girls who ride her for me always do so under my instructors supervision, and they have both been trained very well. I only let a select few people ride her as she is not the type of horse that just anyone can ride, for instance, Bella hates when riders have noisy hands, so there are a few people who I have told that they cannot ride her because I knew Bella would get annoyed. I pretty much let Val be the judge of who can or can't ride her. She knows Bella well, and she knows the riders even better. She is very honest about her students ability and knows when they don't have a secure enough seat and hands to ride her.
     
    06-23-2011, 10:31 PM
  #17
Trained
If your mare's canter is bouncy and it's unseating you, what about cheating a bit until your confidence is up? Instead of sitting deep, maybe do it in a light seat so you're not bouncing out of the tack at every stride? I really have no idea what level you are riding at. If you are not yet secure at the trot, disregard my suggestion. If your only reservation is that her canter is bouncy and you cannot sit it, then cheat and sink down into the saddle every few strides until your hips loosen up enough to follow the motion.
     
    06-24-2011, 12:38 AM
  #18
Trained
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Originally Posted by wetrain17    
How is this a safe situation? I don't understand why someone would put themselves in harms way. Having a green, or difficult horse, with a green rider is a receipe for disaster. What can a green horse learn from a green rider other then how to buck them off?

This horse needs a more experienced rider to put it back in consistant work for a while to work out the kinks. And in the mean time Rachel should learn how to post and balance on a quieter horse, one that wont try to buck her off. You're going to end up in the hospital, or fraustated that the two of you aren't improving.
Well we don't always do everything we should be doing, now do we? Sometimes you gotta live on the edge and if you don't....you're taking up too much room!
     
    06-24-2011, 07:27 PM
  #19
Foal
I can TOTALLY relate to your situation!!! I am a forty something coming back to riding after 20 years, and I have 3 kids. I used to jump with no stirrups, canter with no stirrups, etc. My good trainer helped me pick out a horse for me and my then 12 year old daughter. A QH, supposed to be bomb proof, but also a nice mover and some pep as we are at a show barn.

Well, my hands were hard and I was a stiff rider, and at first riding him instead of the lesson horses was SO challenging. If I banged him in the mouth he would buck a little. I wasn't truly afraid of falling off but he has a huge stride and might buck, and I was just terrified to canter on him.

I did some on the lesson horses and did better, and then came back to him and in a lesson I was OK, but would only dare canter by myself on a very good (read he's lazy and happy today) day. Well, it's been about a year and a half of slow steady progress. I have stronger legs, a more balanced seat, and I hope, soft hands. Part of my growth is honestly the leg strength and it has taken some time. Last year I would take him to a show for pleasure class and ride the first two and then one of the girls would ride him at canter. I have practiced all winter and taken lessons and finally feel more confident.

Well, finally this past Wednesday, I took him in all three classes. And guess what? We got second place in the canter class!!!! I was SO proud and happy. I was relaxed at the canter and even had a loose rein.

So, I don't have a magic cure for you, but time will tell. I agree probably canter on lesson horses until it is boring will probably help. Even canter without stirrups on lesson horses so you are confident you can deal with a sudden emergency. Then only canter with your trainer for a while. And then the time will come when you are confident to fly solo. Be patient with yourself. There's no hurry, right? And in my experience, trying to hurry with horses seldom results in a good ending.

Cheers to you for taking a chance on a kill pen horse and ending with such a lovely, responsive animal. You are blessed!
     
    06-25-2011, 06:02 PM
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Well, I was going to try to canter her again today. Then I got on her and she just wanted to race around at a million mileage an hour, so instead we worked on slowing her up and figure 8's and circles. When I do canter her again I want it to be a day when she is really responsive. I think I would have had problems keeping her slow and responsive.
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