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post #21 of 48 Old 12-29-2011, 06:47 PM
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Any chance you could word your comments some what more diplomatically so the entire thread doesn't poof?
If the moderators object, they can remove it.
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post #22 of 48 Old 12-29-2011, 06:49 PM
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If the moderators object, they can remove it.

Not to have the last word, but in hope to end this- the moderators have life outside the HF, and the less they have to deal with offensive posts, the better, don't you think...? To be fair you posted that for a reaction, pretty much from the western riders, and destroy a thread.
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I was wondering, what are some exercises I can do with him to gain strength in his hind end and make him push, instead of just rounding his neck and acting like he is?
Wow folks, just read some of the posts. A wee bit judgemental, don't ya all think? Read the above sentence. She wants the horse to push from behind and not just round his neck...unless I completely forgot how to read, she understands collection. English, western, sidesaddle, she wants the horse to gain enough muscle to be able to retrain him to reach into the bit. Give her a break already. You'd think her OP said, "how can I get his head to look pretty?"

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Folks, moderators DO have lives that we would like to lead. Speaking for myself only, I'm tired of trying to clean up messes that should never have been made in the first place.

I'm leaving the posts as an example of how NOT to post.

Let's focus the thread on exercises that will help a horse engage from the rear, and strengthen its hind & back. That is not an English vs Australian vs Western vs Dressage vs WP vs Jumping question. Few sports require near constant collection, but most want it available at times. How can you train & condition a horse to gather himself in preparation of XYZ?
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MBP I don't think any of the "you're doing it wrong" posts were aimed at the OP, more at the second poster who basically told the OP to haul that head in to get collection.
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Wow folks, just read some of the posts. A wee bit judgemental, don't ya all think? Read the above sentence. She wants the horse to push from behind and not just round his neck...unless I completely forgot how to read, she understands collection. English, western, sidesaddle, she wants the horse to gain enough muscle to be able to retrain him to reach into the bit. Give her a break already. You'd think her OP said, "how can I get his head to look pretty?"

If you read the above posts, working the horse correctly will allow it to do so- building up the muscle over time. I don't see any judgement, I see information, a bit of debating.. digressing towards the end, but none the less, info to help with this sort of problem.
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Not really sure why that video has been beaten to death. It is fundamentally correct.
It IS correct. I was referring to the fact it was posted here hundred times (by me including).

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If you read the above posts, working the horse correctly will allow it to do so- building up the muscle over time. I don't see any judgement, I see information, a bit of debating.. digressing towards the end, but none the less, info to help with this sort of problem.
I actually don't see any really incorrect advice given on this thread. Even the second poster is saying mostly the same concept, just not with the traditional english style of constant contact. In my book self carriage is just that, self carriage. Technically, reins are an afterthought if the horse is holding himself up, no?

You just have to see your distance...you don't have to like it.
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I actually don't see any really incorrect advice given on this thread. Even the second poster is saying mostly the same concept, just not with the traditional english style of constant contact. In my book self carriage is just that, self carriage. Technically, reins are an afterthought if the horse is holding himself up, no?
That was what I said in my initial post- I don't know if English/Western is different for contact, however this is in the English riding section, so I'd assumer the OP is riding English.

When you read further through, paint_girl stated that she had meant the whole horse, but only posted about the respect for the bit. I posted a more in depth answer for the entire horse- so where as paint_girl has the good ol' your horse has to listen to your bit, I would say its slightly different to our what of riding, and I just added to it- entire horse, not just the mouth will make the horse come round properly. THEN youc an start thinking about excercises to build the correct muscles.
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Hope we didn't chase any Western riders out of here.... I thought she made some sense.

I am wondering though. What comes first? Softness or collection/forwardness?
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