Colored TB/QH In the Hunter Ring

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    03-31-2011, 11:29 AM
Colored TB/QH In the Hunter Ring

Hi all, so I am horse shopping again and I found a 16.2 brown and white TB/QH cross for lease. He sounds really good for me, and I love paint-looking horses. But would a TB/QH have the kind of movement to excel in the hunters? Also how would his coloring factor in? I know the more obvious the horse the more perfect I have to be.
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    03-31-2011, 11:36 AM
I think the color bar in rated hunters is pretty much a thing of the past.

What circuits and divisions are you looking to show in? I mean, the Regular Working divisions at the As are all still pretty much bay, chestnut and gray, but in the opens and the ammys you see all colors and coat patterns.

However, movement is a pretty big part of what hunters are judged on, and the horse either has hunter movement or he doesn't. Yes, movement can be improved, but if the horse doesn't have the length of stride, and daisy cutting movement, swinging freely from the shoulder, he's not going to do well as a hunter. I happen to love TB/QH crosses, and have known a couple to do well in the hunter ring, it's really down to an individual horse and their confo and training.

Also, depending on how competitive you want to be, if the horse can do the striding and does well over fences, maybe you don't care if he can't pin in the hack.

Get someone with some hunter ring experience to look at the horse or look at a video under saddle and advise you about suitablity for the hunter ring.
    03-31-2011, 12:07 PM
Green Broke
Agreed with everything Maura said. I don't know a single trainer who is actively showing who wouldn't buy a horse simply because of color. TYPE? Yes. Color, no. If I was looking for an upper level hunter to show the AA circuits in, I'd take a flashy colored WB or TBish type horse any day (I say TBish b/c a lot of Qhs have a lot of TB look to them). A flashy colored horse that looks like a cowhorse but moved well? Eh, I'd be more interested in him for more of the local or A show circuit but wouldn't turn him down if I liked everything else. Movement is everything and it's hard for a hunter to turn down a fancy mover if it jumps just as well! I showed a loud black and white tobiano for a solid year (all the local stuff and tons of A/AA shows too) and did very well. We often pinned in the hack and usually pinned over fences too. Any time he didn't pin well was purely our fault, nothing to do with color. I've been beat by several paints while on plain colored horses too...

Remember that hunters these days like a little more flash and bling then they did in the past (look at all the bling on tack and colored show shirts out there!) and that goes along with their horses as well. IMO, a lot of people who think they were discriminated on purely because of color 1) don't know what the judges are looking for or 2) are looking for an excuse.
    03-31-2011, 12:08 PM
Green Broke
Do you have a video of the horse you're looking at? We could evaluate him for you!
    03-31-2011, 12:45 PM
I have some pictures I can put up. I think he has a cute little knee snapping jump but I don't really know what I am looking for. I am more concerned with his movement than his color, I know that's a touchy subject, also my trainer has a paint wb and she does great on him.

Lets see if I can post some of these piccys.
    03-31-2011, 12:46 PM
Here we go, two flat pics and three jump. What do you think? Slash should this thread be moved to critique?
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    03-31-2011, 01:25 PM
The two professional photos over fences show *very* good form, the large photo shows him laying on his side and crooked in the air. However, I think it odd that they're showing him over such tiny fences - they're barely 2'6".

None of the photos adequately show his movement under saddle.

He's dead cute, and I can absolutely see him doing well in hunters IF he can make the striding, and if he routinely jumps as he does in the Al Cook photos, not as he does in the uncredited photo. I'd be very leery of the laying on the side/crookedness; while sometimes it's a sign of bad riding, it's oftena sign of soreness and incipient unsoundness.

I love his expression, and he will certainly stand out in a class of plain bays!
    03-31-2011, 01:38 PM
Aw maura I'm glad you said that, haha it makes me feel better about my own ability to critique a horse. I also thought the first two jump pics looked miles better than the third.

I love his face and markings, and I've always been into horses that stand out.

I am excited to go see him in person and try him out and see what kind of movement he has. I will have my trainer with me, so she should be able to help out a lot, she has nixed a lot of horses for me that I liked that she knew better about haha

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