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        02-27-2014, 02:40 PM
      #41
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    And the discrimination continues LOL.
    I agree with Kayty. Number one, these are not quarter horses and number two this is not a barrel race. Apples and oranges.
    I was at a competition last weekend on a very spooky, hot horse and it is not fun to be on something you have to get through a test on that you know is going to be flying sideways at least once during the ride. There are also rules about how far from the ring spectators must be. Were there not stands and designated spectator areas?

    Yes, I hack and desensitize my horses but it does not change the fact that they are hot, high powered athletes and asking the young ones to focus in a new place with scary things is very difficult on the particularly spooky ones. I would suggest to you next time to go to a designated spectator area and watch from there. Although it sucks you had a bad day, the show was not put on specifically for you and your enjoyment. When you pay for tickets to an event and are in a designated area - then you have grounds to complain, JMO.

    If you want I can put you on the hot kid and you can see how much you want to ride around a pram LOL this stands for everyone - I have photos of this horse 6' off the ground :P And that's after desensitizing.


    I also enjoy how in the dog thread I'm the only person who has ridden lots with playing dogs in the indoor arena - at home I desensitize so much! At a competition is not the place. My horse could spook away from the pram into you and your child or another person. It is not a controlled environment and not a safe place to be doing desensitizing.
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    I worked with several 'hot' show horses for a few years getting them ready for nationals and shows, grant it that was saddleseat, park classes, and driving competitions but you know what we always did? We desensitized them to EVERYTHING that could possibly come up. Including babies and strollers (prams). IMHO if you can't desensitize even a hot horse at a show or work them through it (spook or no spook) then that's a problem on your end, not the spectators. Heck when I went with my boss to a couple of shows we'd take the horses up and down and around the crowds every chance we got to get them used to stuff and some of those horses were hotter than most warmbloods! I also hold the strong opinion that just because you paid to enter that class does not mean that every one needs to cater to what you haven't gotten your horse used to. I was always told that you made sure your horse was 100% ready BEFORE you even thought about putting the $$$$ into that class.

    OP I'm sorry you had to face such a bad scenario. It really was ridiculous and uncalled for to have you move multiple times and then leave.

    P.s I ride dressage, I plan to compete in that discipline when I get my next horse so I'm not being biased or discriminatory because EVERY discipline can be like that. But still I would be mortified to ask someone from the audience to move back because my horse was spooking and I'm pretty sure that my trainer would pull me off my horse and beat me to death for even suggesting that.
         
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        02-27-2014, 02:49 PM
      #42
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Incitatus32    
    I worked with several 'hot' show horses for a few years getting them ready for nationals and shows, grant it that was saddleseat, park classes, and driving competitions but you know what we always did? We desensitized them to EVERYTHING that could possibly come up. Including babies and strollers (prams). IMHO if you can't desensitize even a hot horse at a show or work them through it (spook or no spook) then that's a problem on your end, not the spectators. Heck when I went with my boss to a couple of shows we'd take the horses up and down and around the crowds every chance we got to get them used to stuff and some of those horses were hotter than most warmbloods! I also hold the strong opinion that just because you paid to enter that class does not mean that every one needs to cater to what you haven't gotten your horse used to. I was always told that you made sure your horse was 100% ready BEFORE you even thought about putting the $$$$ into that class.

    OP I'm sorry you had to face such a bad scenario. It really was ridiculous and uncalled for to have you move multiple times and then leave.

    P.s I ride dressage, I plan to compete in that discipline when I get my next horse so I'm not being biased or discriminatory because EVERY discipline can be like that. But still I would be mortified to ask someone from the audience to move back because my horse was spooking and I'm pretty sure that my trainer would pull me off my horse and beat me to death for even suggesting that.
    And I can canter while holding onto a tarp on these horses. Get them into a new environment and it's difficult to predict how they will react. Some are rock solid, others are very nervous.

    David Marcus ( Canada) - YouTube

    Both of these are well ridden, older, trained horses. Inexperienced in the big, big rings, but not far off from what can happen. Would hate to see either happen in the entrance to a ring with a baby nearby :(
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        02-27-2014, 03:03 PM
      #43
    Yearling
    I understand that completely believe me lol. I was also incorporating multiple shows where you bring the horse to with simply the plan to desensitize and/or work them around those objects without being in a class per say. I probably should have made that clear sorry. :)

    We used to do that constantly with ours. They had to go to a minimum of three shows for me and my boss to see how they acted and work with them before we even entered them in a class (without expecting to have to leave the class).
         
        02-27-2014, 03:03 PM
      #44
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    And I can canter while holding onto a tarp on these horses. Get them into a new environment and it's difficult to predict how they will react. Some are rock solid, others are very nervous.

    David Marcus ( Canada) - YouTube

    Both of these are well ridden, older, trained horses. Inexperienced in the big, big rings, but not far off from what can happen. Would hate to see either happen in the entrance to a ring with a baby nearby :(
    Sigh how many times must I say it, I was not near the entrance to the arena and to start I was 10 meters away and happily moved to 20 when asked! My annoyance is being pushed further and further back before being asked to leave.

    The audience in the video you showed do you think they were asked to leave after that horse did that? Also that horse did not spook...
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        02-27-2014, 03:07 PM
      #45
    Trained
    Obviously we are only privy to one side of the story in this instance and I find it difficult to believe that someone standing in an area designated for spectators and doing nothing else would be asked to leave a competition.

    The first horse, was a big spook. The second horse, regardless, I still would not want to be standing behind with a child.
         
        02-27-2014, 03:15 PM
      #46
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    You are interpreting them that way. WHERE in this post is it said that no other discipline requires precision?? Where is it said that no other discipline is expensive? Or no other horses are hot or reactive?
    The answer is NEVER.

    The point is that YOU are the one reading these things into the post. The post says - hot young green warmbloods are reactive in a new environment and where there is lots of $ on the line and potential for danger, it is not excessive to ask someone to move a spooky object.
    The exact same thing can happen anywhere, with any sport. The difference is people think being 5m away from a dressage fence is OK - would any barrel race put spectators 5m away from a barrel with no fence between them and the barrel? A jumping competition have parking 5m away from a big jump with only an 8" high white fence between the horses and the cars? Etc..

    Call us snobby all you would like - truth is we're all on hot horses (some horses a bit hotter and more prone to flying through the air than others) in sports that are difficult and all the judgement between the disciplines is just tiresome. I have NEVER said reining, barrels, etc.. are not difficult. Don't know why these words keep getting shoved in my mouth??
    PLEASE NOTE: you were not the one quoted. What I said was just what has happened-You think that we are all here to call dressage folks snobs, and that you would jump all over my post, which you have.

    There is "lots of $$ on the line and the potential for danger" in most disciplines at shows, not just dressage. Shoot-look at the cars that go into the stands at races and the planes that fall from the sky during exhibitions. Again-the OP was NOWHERE NEAR the ring. She was yards away, and getting farther since they seemingly wanted her to watch from another planet.
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        02-27-2014, 03:19 PM
      #47
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    Obviously we are only privy to one side of the story in this instance and I find it difficult to believe that someone standing in an area designated for spectators and doing nothing else would be asked to leave a competition.

    The first horse, was a big spook. The second horse, regardless, I still would not want to be standing behind with a child.
    Lol so I must be lying? Would you like me to draw you a picture? There are 5 arenas side by side with room around each I think about 5 metres for horse and rider to go around and enter. I have never been to a dressage show before so stood about 10 meters away on the grass from the arena. The first horse didn't do more than look side ways at the pram as they came around the side of the arena heading around to entrance (on other side from me). But she stopped her horse and asked me to move back and the judges agreed I should move back. I did move back to about 20 meters. Then next two riders asked to move back further. Til 4th rider came up and at about 35 meters her horse bulked and threatened to rear up.

    The pram/stroller is black with 3 wheels? The only time I spoke to anyone was the first time they asked me to move back. I asked the judges if I was ok where I was standing and they said yes.
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        02-27-2014, 03:29 PM
      #48
    Weanling
    I have seen QHs act crazier than some WBs I've seen.... A girl I know has a imported WB and he's a little spooky but nothing like this one QH my other friend has...

    I think it's ridiculous they asked you to move that far back. If you were in the area designated for spectators then that's their problem they didn't desenzitize the horse. I've been to a show where that happened and one of the horses kept spooking and they asked them to leave because they could not control their own horse... I understand that horses are unpredictable but I can't imagine me telling someone to move 35meters away from the arena...my trainer would yank me off and tan my hide.
         
        02-27-2014, 03:49 PM
      #49
    Foal
    "Next rider horse looked sideways at pram and we were then asked to move back more. 3rd rider comes out asks us to move back further again. 4th Rider comes up she is a good 35 meters from us her horse freaks out threatens to rear and we are asks to "go some place else"


    So even at over 100 ft away you were requested to leave!!!???!!!
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        02-27-2014, 04:00 PM
      #50
    Foal
    Well if "go someplace else" is asking someone to leave?
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    It was the rider that asked that not judges. Judges did not make any further comment after the initial 20 meters. Her horse put its head up and went light on the front end and kind if made threatening hops. But she never took the pressure off its mouth, didn't use her legs or fancy whip to push horse forward. She sat there and very loudly asked for me to go someplace else.
         

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