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post #1 of 42 Old 12-23-2010, 12:23 AM Thread Starter
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Question controlling the hind end without giving the canter aid

I've been doing more "advanced" movements recently, shoulder in, shoulder out, leg yeilds, ect. in the trot. I've found that when i put my leg behind the girth to control ( for lack of a better word ) the hind end, my horse thinks i am giving him the canter aid & speeds up or attempts to canter. I'm not really sure how to go about fixing this problem, more training of coarse, but does anybody have ideas as to what to do?
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I've been doing more "advanced" movements recently, shoulder in, shoulder out, leg yields, etc. in the trot. I've found that when i put my leg behind the girth to control ( for lack of a better word ) the hind end, my horse thinks i am giving him the canter aid & speeds up or attempts to canter.

Probably the reason why I NEVER teach the canter aid by putting the outside leg back.

I have corrected many students that get frustrated when they want to do a simple half pass and end up with the canter.

Re teach the canter aid by the use of the inside leg/hip closing on him. Outside leg is there to PREVENT the haunches from swinging out. If they don't swing out then the outside leg becomes passive.
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I agree with above, I also only teach inside leg. It will be a little confusing in the beginning but in the end it will all make so much sense and "flow" you will wonder how you ever did it any other way;) Good Luck.
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Spyder-can you elaborate on this just a little?

I am also another rider who has always known the canter cue to be the outside leg behind the girth.

I have a new horse and she is very green. We havent done any canter work yet, but I would like to teach her this when we do start...
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Spyder-can you elaborate on this just a little?

I am also another rider who has always known the canter cue to be the outside leg behind the girth.

I have a new horse and she is very green. We havent done any canter work yet, but I would like to teach her this when we do start...
You simply teach the horse off the pressure you apply through the closing of your inside hip. If the horse is a little green the aid can extend farther down the leg to the riders heel or spur. If the horse swings the outside rear out then yes the outside leg will become active to STRAIGHTEN the horse and monitor any further potential crookedness.

If you get to the point of flying changes ESPECIALLY temi changes ( multiple lead changes) the alternating leg cues can be done very easily without causing the horse to swing their haunch...so early teaching from the inside saves on a retraining period.
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So (forgive me) you cue the horse to canter on the left lead by closing your inside hip (left side hip) and applying pressure (if the horse is green and doesnt understand the hip closing) with the left heel at the girth?

I may be getting ahead of myself, but I dont think my horse is going to get this the first few times...any suggestions of how to introduce this to her?

She is very light on her sides and will literally sidepass with minimal leg pressure. I can see this causing her confusion thinking I want her to move to the rail instead of canter.

Thanks for all your help on this =)
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Spyder-can you elaborate on this just a little?

I am also another rider who has always known the canter cue to be the outside leg behind the girth.
Spyder was explaining exactly the same to me a few months ago here
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My horse canters perfectly with just the inside leg now (we also moved to another stable and changed the trainer).
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When I cue to canter...I use my inside leg, with maybe just a fraction of inside rein. If he doesn't get it right away, then I will also put my outside leg on.

My coach prefers the inside leg method. It took some time to figure it out, and I do revert back sometimes to using my outside leg. Just takes time to remember inside leg...inside leg.

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When I cue to canter...I use my inside leg, with maybe just a fraction of inside rein. If he doesn't get it right away, then I will also put my outside leg on.

My coach prefers the inside leg method. It took some time to figure it out, and I do revert back sometimes to using my outside leg. Just takes time to remember inside leg...inside leg.
Luckily I didn't have any problems switching to the inside leg cue as that's what always felt natural to me, I think that's how I must have been taught to do it as a kid (I then had many years break from horses). I always had to be reminded of the outside leg behind the girth, my trainer would be running behind me and yelling at me to put the leg behind all the time and I felt like crap for constantly failing to do so. I remember thinking to myself once "drat, I'm teaching my horse to canter on the inside leg" believing I'm making a big mistake. When I had my first lesson with the new trainer I asked him (amongst other things) how to make the horse canter and he said "always the inside leg!", I felt so happy
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Luckily I didn't have any problems switching to the inside leg cue as that's what always felt natural to me, I think that's how I must have been taught to do it as a kid (I then had many years break from horses). I always had to be reminded of the outside leg behind the girth, my trainer would be running behind me and yelling at me to put the leg behind all the time and I felt like crap for constantly failing to do so. I remember thinking to myself once "drat, I'm teaching my horse to canter on the inside leg" believing I'm making a big mistake. When I had my first lesson with the new trainer I asked him (amongst other things) how to make the horse canter and he said "always the inside leg!", I felt so happy
Isn't it interesting how things are taught so many different ways, even in a close location?

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