Now MIE, don't go misunderstanding what I'm saying about the whole "jumping is just dressage with speed bumps" phrase, as me thinking dressage (or as some will say, "good flatwork") is unnecessary! Surely you've read A FEW of my posts (we've both been a part of HF a while) or at least the earlier posts to this thread. It's just a phrase I don't like b/c I don't like the picture it puts in my head. I agree with the point it makes, I just don't think it's a great analogy. Believe me, flatwork/dressage is the tool I use daily to make my jumping better. It's something I hound every one of my students to do better. I pay an arm and a leg to work regularly with a dressage instructor.
What Maura is saying is NOT that dressage (or good flatwork) isn't important. Obviously it's crucial. She prefers to call it "flatwork" b/c
Dressage as a discipline is a progression of training with the ultimate goal of collection. Her stance is that a hunter/jumper has a different goal in mind so it isn't pure "Dressage". Hunters/jumpers use dressage exercises/principles with the goal of making our course the best it can be. So she calls it flatwork. Some may say, potato/potahto but I see her point. I'll probably still call it dressage for the sake of not confusing people on HF... but I see her point.
I always read your posts upnover, I appreciate your education and level of experience.
I understand what you are saying, and I did misunderstand where you were coming from and I appreciate your effort to clarify. My appologies.
Yes, I understand that the top of the training scale of Dressage Riders is "collection" and that Hunters strive for a different goal. But I don't see much of a difference in "FlatWork" and "Dressage" just as you said, one says Potatoe, and the other says Potato.
Lets take GP Jumpers for example. They spend many days a week doing just Dressage Work or aka Flatwork. Many of these riders were Hunters - take Beezie Madden as a prime example. Now these horses can do minimally level 3 dressage movements, but, do we see them going around course in a dressage collected frame?
But what we do see - are horses who will extend when asked, and collect when asked *meaning shortening their stride* we see horses doing flying lead changes and roll backs and we see them moving on their hind ends and using their backs.
We see soft and supple horses who are responsive to their riders aids, and most importantly - balanced, engaged and strong horses who have the importancies of what Dressage gives them, to be succesful jumpers.
So when I hear the phrase "Jumping is dressage with speed bumps" I see just that - exactly what we see when we watch a GP Jumper round. I don't picture a GP Dressage Mount going around a jumper course just as they would while doing a dressage test.
I guess the phrase gives people different ideas, which is understandable. I believe we are all saying the same thing, just differently.