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    03-24-2008, 01:14 PM
Originally Posted by Kyani
Hehe, American English classes are so different to anywhere else...
How so?
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    03-24-2008, 06:16 PM
We just...don't have anything like you do. Nothing like HUS or english pleasure or whatever it is that require them to go slow and steady. Pretty much everything is, in theory, ridden in a 'standard' dressage or showjumping seat. We have equitation but it's basically dressage without judging the horse.
Plus we have Mountain and Moorland, hunter classes (a type of horse, not a style fo riding) etc.
And no one does saddleseat in the UK!
    03-24-2008, 10:28 PM
I know, all the American classes confuse me!
In AUS we have...
Hack - Very much based on dressage, although with a slightly higher headset. All work is carried out very collected, unless extension is asked for. Judged on the horse.
Hunter - Designed originally I think to judge how a horse would hold up over a day's hunting. A longer, lower frame, and a much more forward trot and ground covering canter. Form is judged over a few small jumps also. Judged on the horse.
Pleasure - The shows I have been too, pleasure has been done one handed, in a snaffle bit, not artificial aids allowed. Designed to judge which horse would be a pleasure to ride, literally. Judged on the horse.
Rider classes - Similar to a hack class, only the rider is being judged.
Equitation - similar to your hunters? Sort of like dressage over jumps. Judging the rider, their position, approach, horsemanship etc. also there are tasks to be performed within the round and you are marked on these also. I.e. Certain number of strides between a combination, counter canter, trot into a specific fence, halt between cones after round.
And then Showjumping - I think the same as your jumpers. Fastest/cleanest round wins.

There are many other classes for different types of shows, I.e. Working stock horse and time trial for ASH shows, Arabian stock horse and costume for Arab shows, but the ones above are mostly what you would find at an open show here in AUS :)

See why your classes confuse me!!
    03-24-2008, 11:25 PM
If you would like to learn about Saddleseat, I highly suggest going to this website.


I can show you pictures if you would like of our horses(we ride saddleseat), or if you go in the classifieds section under the Saddlebred Rescue Topic, nearly all the horses in that topic are being ridden saddleseat.

I LOVE Saddleseat. As many Dressage riders have told me (who started Saddleseat and "converted") "If you can ride Saddleseat, you can ride anything."
    04-15-2008, 11:41 PM
Kyani people in the UK do Saddle Seat. A current reserve world grand champion Saddle Seat Saddlebred was imported from the UK and there is a Great Britain Saddle Seat Equitation Team that shows in the World Cup every 2 years. So you just don't know what you are talking about.

Saddle Seat riding is an English style of riding (as are Hunt Seat and Dressage), but it is a uniquely American style of riding used primarily on , Morgan horses, American Saddlebred horses, and Arabians.

The ultimate goal in Saddle Seat riding is a truly thrilling performance. A saddle seat horse should be thrilling to watch; extremely elegant, classy, and stylish. Many casual spectators watching a truly good Saddle Seat performance may think the horse is about to burst with excitement, but the well-trained Saddle Seat horse is actually very responsive and comfortable to ride, like a finely tuned sports car.

Saddle Seat riding is about animation. It is about a high head carriage with an arched neck, and lots of "action" or high-stepping. The canter should be very collected and slow, with the appearance of a rocking horse.

Many American Saddlebred horses are trained to do five gaits- the walk, trot, and canter, plus the slow gait and the rack (which is an extremely smooth four-beat gait performed "at speed").

Saddle Seat riding is done "on the flat" meaning that no jumping is involved. Horses are most often shown at the three gaits (walk, trot and canter), but classes are also available for five-gaited horses. Horses are shown in many different divisions, from the relaxed and mannerly Pleasure classes to the thrilling performances in the Park classes. Saddle Seat exhibitors range from young children to adult exhibitors. Suitable horses are available for novice riders as well as experienced ones seeking a challenge.

Here is a wikipedia article that is very good:

Lady Dreamer I am the host of the Saddle Seat Equitation website so thanks for thinking of my site.
    04-16-2008, 03:17 PM
The one thing I noticed is that stock breeds tend to call hunter pleasure english pleasure. We show Morgans and there is a distinct difference between hunter pleasure and english pleasure classes. Our english pleasure classes are always saddleseat attire and use a cutback saddle that allows better movement of the shoulders and hunter pleasure classes wear hunt attire and use a hunt saddle.

Since you are familiar with western pleasure classes then you probably know that depending on the horse and their attitude would depend on what class you entered them in within the specific division. I am speaking about like whether you would show them in an amateur, open, ladies, youth, junior etc. class.

As someone explained equitation classes are all about the rider and has nothing to do with the horse.

If you are familiar with youtube you can enter saddleseat and get some great saddleseat videos.
    04-16-2008, 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by Jrchloe
Kyani people in the UK do saddle seat. A current reserve world grand champion saddle seat Saddlebred was imported from the UK and there is a Great Britain saddle seat Equitation Team that shows in the World Cup every 2 years. So you just don't know what you are talking about.
Sorry, Jrchloe. Perhaps what I should have said is that it's very uncommon in the UK. I, personally, have never seen anyone ride saddleseat, nor do I know or know of anyone who has ever tried it. That's all I meant - it was a bit all-emcompassing of me to say 'no one', I'll agree, but it's true that it isn't a popular sport in the UK. For example, I know more people who have ridden sidesaddle or tried jousting that saddleseat, and most horsepeople I know have never heard of the discipline.

I think it's a bit rude to tell people they 'just don't know what they are talking about'. Admittedly I DIDN'T know the stuff you explained about the British team etc, but that doesn't mean I'm ignorant about the entire discipline.
    04-16-2008, 06:59 PM
I apologize if I came off as rude. But you also made it sound like everyone in the UK was too good for saddle seat just so you know. But I want to be friends with everyone so its all good.
    04-17-2008, 08:35 AM
No problem. I was just a little taken aback because that's not what I meant at all - I was merely commenting on how it's not common here, Most people from the US don't realise this. (and it kinda bugs me that it's classed as 'english' riding) :)
    04-17-2008, 10:32 AM
Kyani, what would you consider saddleseat if not english riding? I guess maybe it is just either the breed or discipline you are in. With morgans if you meet someone and ask them what discipline they do they would either say hunt or english. You know that english means saddleseat or they would just say saddleseat instead of english.

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