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    02-21-2012, 10:03 AM
  #11
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If I posted photos of American Olympic levels riders and compared them to a British Pony Clubber or amateur, I could make a similiar point, though it would be equally erroneous.

Good riding is good riding, regardless of national origin, and bad riding is bad riding, regardless of national origin.

Those photos prove nothing but the bias on the part of the person who selected the photos.
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    02-21-2012, 10:05 AM
  #12
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I know, right. If you compared a photo of me riding with one of Carl Hester riding, you could say British dressage is much better and far more correct in every way than American dressage, but that would be plainly idiotic.
     
    02-21-2012, 10:14 AM
  #13
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Originally Posted by maura    
If I posted photos of American Olympic levels riders and compared them to a British Pony Clubber or amateur, I could make a similiar point, though it would be equally erroneous.

Good riding is good riding, regardless of national origin, and bad riding is bad riding, regardless of national origin.

Those photos prove nothing but the bias on the part of the person who selected the photos.
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    02-21-2012, 10:48 AM
  #14
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Originally Posted by maura    
Those photos prove nothing but the bias on the part of the person who selected the photos.
Wrong. They prove the difference between correct and incorrect.

The names of the correct riders were added so that everyone knew who the examples were. Period. Their country of origin or nationality has nothing to do with anything. And since I am the one who made the post, only I know the intention with which it was made.
     
    02-21-2012, 10:55 AM
  #15
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Originally Posted by mildot    
Wrong. They prove the difference between correct and incorrect.

The names of the correct riders were added so that everyone knew who the examples were. Period. Their country of origin or nationality has nothing to do with anything. And since I am the one who made the post, only I know the intention with which it was made.

Perhaps clarifying the intention of the post would help disuade any assumptions- just for future reference.
     
    02-21-2012, 11:05 AM
  #16
Yearling
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Originally Posted by mildot    
Wrong. They prove the difference between correct and incorrect.

The names of the correct riders were added so that everyone knew who the examples were. Period. Their country of origin or nationality has nothing to do with anything. And since I am the one who made the post, only I know the intention with which it was made.

Even I know the last 2 aren't correct. They're laying on the horses necks, and one of them could hit the upright thingys with their toes.

And I don't even like jumping
     
    02-21-2012, 11:07 AM
  #17
Yearling
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Originally Posted by mildot    
Wrong. They prove the difference between correct and incorrect.

The names of the correct riders were added so that everyone knew who the examples were. Period. Their country of origin or nationality has nothing to do with anything. And since I am the one who made the post, only I know the intention with which it was made.
Well, yes. But stating that Olympic riders have better equitation than your average amateur numpty with a horse is taken directly from the curriculum of the School for the Bleeding Obvious.


Not that I'm slagging average amateur numpties. After all, I am one.
     
    02-21-2012, 11:10 AM
  #18
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Originally Posted by thesilverspear    
Well, yes. But stating that Olympic riders have better equitation than your average amateur numpty with a horse is taken directly from the curriculum of the School for the Bleeding Obvious.
"numpty" I like that one!! Can I use it? I wonder if my boss knows what it means
     
    02-21-2012, 04:47 PM
  #19
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I moved all the posts regarding hunt seat, forward seat and the differences in styles of riding into their own thread from the funny "languauge differences" thread as I thought it would be an useful, educational thread.

Foxhunter PMed the following comments, and I asked permision to post them here.

Two Point!
There really is nothing to defend in the two point issue!

I am in my 60's and have been teaching riding since I was 15. The way I was taught and therefore teach, was to be safe and effective. I cannot see how anyone riding into a fence in two point, is using their seat to push the horse forward, nor, if in two point on landing, they are safe should the horse stumble.

Much has changed in the UK since I started. Back then very few children actually had their own ponies, we all learned to ride at a riding school where much of the influence was from the army.
This was just after WW2.
Gradually, in the 1960's more and more parents started buying ponies for their children and keeping them at the riding schools. Then they started keeping their ponies where they looked after them on their own.

This lead to several problems in that they were getting very little instruction with either care or riding.
As time passes so these children started to teach and because of lack of solid foundation they could not see the problems they were setting up.

You see a lot of posts about legs and hands but very very little about seat and the seat is the most important basis for all riders.

I was taught to teach the sitting trot before the rising for the simple reason that once a rider learns the rising trot it is easier than learning the sitting. If a rider can do a good sitting trot then the seat is already becoming secure.
A secure, balanced seat, leads to independent hands.

I am not against the two point, as I said in my last post, it is a vital tool but only if used in the correct manner. Being ahead of the horse's movement is leaving a rider open to more accidents because they are already half way to falling off.
Yes, over the fence they need to go into two point but only over the fence, not going into it or on landing.



There are many points made so far that I wish to respond to and comment on, but that may have to wait until this evening.
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    02-21-2012, 05:05 PM
  #20
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I must, on pain of stealing more time from my employer, respond to one comment before this evening.

I am appalled that anyone would blame Chris Reeve's accident on forward seat riding. Chris Reeve's horrible accident had three components: 1.) a fence with no ground line/false ground line. Since his accident, this is no longer considered an appropriate question for a Novice level course (or Training either.) and all fences have brush or filler added to make an appropriate ground line. 2.) Chris Reeve's size. He was 6'4" and close to 200 pounds, and he stuck the ground head first, at an angle. The force generated by his mass and the acceleratation, combined with the nearly 45 degree angle, crushed his cervical vertebra. 3.) When he came off his horse, his stick and arms got tangled up in the reins, and he could not throw out his hands or arms to break his fall. Again, he struck the ground head first, at considerable speed, as what rodeo cowboys call "a yard dart." Without this last detail, he might have sustained broken wrists or broken collarbones, not a severe spinal cord injury.

You do not have to be approaching a fence in two point to midjudge a distance, or miscommunicate with the horse about the distance, and at speed, the result is often the same.

How do know some of this stuff? I have seen tapes of the accident, multiple times. The accident occurred at Commonwealth Park, or the old Showday Farm in Culpeper, VA, one of my "home courses", we schooled and competed there often. I was not there the day Mr. Reeve was hurt, but was at both the previoius and following events there - they hosted two combining training events a year, Spring and Fall. I have actually jumped the fence where the wreck occurred, multiple times, on multiple horses, both schooling and in competition, and a bunch of students did as well. I have photos in my album taken on that course.

Finally, I was a practicing EMT at the time. Mr. Reeve was transported by the Nightengale helicopter to UVA hospital, the closest Level 1 trauma center, and I heard several medical debriefs of the accident, the call and the transport.
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