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post #1 of 31 Old 04-08-2010, 09:47 PM Thread Starter
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Exclamation Don't shut me down

So, I had a post before asking how I could "make it big" in the horse world.
I've decided to still follow my dream, even though I was shut down by many people saying I need to have a family with money. I have a great trainer who was on the olympic team and was trained by George Morris(SO COOL!) who is letting me lease her beautiful pony Jilly. I don't want to sound stupid by asking if she could help me be a better and more elite rider because I am just a chicken when it comes to things like that. I do not want to be laughed at or her secretly thinking that I'm a lunatic. So I just need some advice or encouragement, because I am also afraid to tell my parents this.You guys have been great help to me so far and I have wanted to be a rider for my whole life. My mom and dad are divorced so it's rare that they are seen together with eachother unless there is a fight between them. All I want to do is be pushed to be a great rider by someone but never have. So, I envy half of your guys on here who grew up with horse parents(: so please bring on the advice and whatever else you can add on(: This place is like my horse life saver!

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post #2 of 31 Old 04-08-2010, 10:06 PM
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I think you should go to the trainer and explain this to her. Perhaps there is someway that you can work off some training/lessons? I dont think that you should feel ashamed that you want to go far as a rider. If I am understanding your post correctly. Could you be a working student in exchange for her knowledge and training? If you put in the time, and effort although it may take a while it def will benefit you in the end. You will become a better rider just because of that!
Money does help .....I grew up around horses and had many family members who rode . My daughter rides, takes lessons, and is starting to do a few local/open shows. I want her to be the best that she can be....We dont have a lot of money. That all goes back into the care of the horses, boarding , etc...what is left over goes to lesson , training etc...sometimes there isnt a lot left over. If I could give her more money wise she would be accomplishing more perhaps, but she has learned so much confidence, problem solving skills and is growing into a mature young lady because we have had to do a lot of the work ourselves. It has been my experience that the more money you have the less brains you seem to have. JMO good luck with your endeavors!

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post #3 of 31 Old 04-08-2010, 10:25 PM
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Define "make it big".
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post #4 of 31 Old 04-08-2010, 10:52 PM
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Don't be afraid to let your trainer know how far you want to go - she's the best person to help you with that.
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post #5 of 31 Old 04-09-2010, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by upnover View Post
Define "make it big".

To become a truly professional rider, you will need to ride multitudes of horses of different ages and experiences, sit on the lunatics to the schoolmasters, the lazy fat ones to the racehorses. Get you backside on as many horses as you can. ONCE you have become a competent rider on your own and with lessons.
You can have the dream to make it big, but it's not a case of just asking a trainer to teach you have to be fantastic on a pony. You need to get the hours under your belt and the experience to go with it. You sound very young, I'd say you've got plenty more years of experience to go, you're not going to fall off your perch any time soon so no rush.

However money is a requirement unfortunately, as much as you don't want to hear it. In Australia, we have done super well internationally with eventing with most of the team made up of ottb's that the riders have picked up for doggers money. Yes, the horse buying bit can be cheap, but to have the ability to turn that cheap, 'dog' into a star is a whole new kettle of fish. It's not a case of the black stallion, kid has dream and kid tames who who wins everything. It doesn't happen like that. The elite riders have generally worked their backsides off, ridden so many different horses, hooned around paddocks bareback on bucking ponies and ridden some real lunatics. The eventers have more of a chance of 'making it big' than the dressage and show jumpers do, dressage in particular is a very elitist sport when you hit the higher levels. And even now leaking into the young rider classes are super expensive, imported horses that have been trained piaffe in hand in Germany. You can't expect to 'make it big' against people in these disciplines who have mega bucks, no matter hpw good you are, unless you hit it REALLy lucky and get a place as a rider for an elite stable/stud. And even to do that, you need a proven track record as a performance rider, which requires money if you want to be out there beating everyone.

Yep there's the exceptions. We've got a local girl on her ottb/ex eventer who is now competing PSG/inter 1 with great success, but not when pitted against the absolute top of the imports.

Money is a HUGE advantage in the competitive/professional horse world unfortunately.
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post #6 of 31 Old 04-09-2010, 08:16 AM
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I'll be honest with you, there was a time when I sounded just like you. An Underdog, I was ready to show people what I was made of and I wanted nothing else but to show, show, show and get myself out there. I wanted to show western pleasure mostly at Quarter Horse shows and when I took the trip to Congress in Ohio I was even more gun ho to get myself there...

THEN... I worked at two different barns, cleaning stalls, that took horses to Worlds and Congress. The horses were mostly shown in Western Pleasure, Hunter Under Saddle, and/or Showmanship or Halter. There was not ONE horse in either barn that I would have wanted... not one. They cribbed and weaved, they kicked, they bit. They were hardly ever turned out and spent most of the time wrapped up in wraps and blankets in a stall. The ground manners SUCKED to say the least, they would run past you, buck, and rear on the ground... and the horses were all together unhappy compared to the Local shown, 4h'ers, and trail horses I was riding and training in the past...

...but they did win pretty consistantly...

I think at small barns things are more than likely different, but this is what I saw. Take it with a grain of salt.

I would never go back. I'll keep my local showing, 4h, trail riding, happy all around horses instead (and even some 4h people take it to far!).

When money gets involved its no longer a passion its job and you do what you have too in order to eat and put money in your pocket to survive... I never want to get like that, ever.
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post #7 of 31 Old 04-09-2010, 11:28 AM
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Illcomalopin: I TOTALLY agree with you! I don't want to have to rely on my horses to make a living for me. I want to be able to make the living so I can enjoy them and keep them happy little trail horses who get turned out every day. I don't want them to have to spend everyday in the stall all wrapped up just so they don't get dirty. I WANT my horses to be dirty, that means I get to spend more time with them lol. I love my dirty horses!!!

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post #8 of 31 Old 04-09-2010, 01:46 PM
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Sorry dear, but you will need money, lots of it, to show at the upper levels.

The really elite riders have sponsors, but they have to pay their own way for a very long time and prove themselves before that happens.

Didn't you just post a thread about continuously looking down while riding a course? You're going to need to get much better at just the basics before you start dreaming about riding for a living.

As has already been noted, the great riders ride all kinds, breeds, and types of horses during the formative part of their careers. They live and breathe nothing but horses during that time. No hanging with friends, no parties, no vacations, just horses.

Even if you have natural talent, that will only take you so far. Drive, dedication, and a sterling work ethic are all required to make it as an elite rider in any discipline.

If you have all of those qualities, you might be able to make a career of riding.

You're also going to have to overcome your shyness if you want to make it in the horse world. Being meek and timid will get you exactly nowhere.

If your trainer was tutored by GM and was an Olympic rider, ask her what she thinks of your potential. She'll have a better idea than anyone.

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post #9 of 31 Old 04-09-2010, 01:57 PM
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My thoughts:

Don't ever give up the dream. Tell your trainer that you have plans to "make it big" in the horse world. You don't have to decide what that means right now, Right now making it big should simply mean, having a career in the horse world.

To make it big in competition there are many factors that will have to come into play, money is a big one, the right trainer, the right people, the right horse, talent is a must... etc.

In order to make it big in the horse world wether it be in competition, breeding, training, boarding, whatever, the biggest thing is that you have a back-up plan. You either have to be independently wealthy or you have to have an education. Times get tough. Even my trainer owns a tack shop that provides a definite income. As a rider or a trainer, one simple injury could destroy a bank-account and end a career in horses.

Keep up the dream, but get an education and some "real world" skills in case you need them.

Good luck!

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post #10 of 31 Old 04-09-2010, 03:32 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks guys. And yes I did have a post about my eyes because I have a habit of it on the ground too. I try my hardest to live and breathe horses and have ridden quite an array of them throughout my years. I started schooling ponies when I was 8 but I do not get paid for training them. =/ and I forgot to mention that I have 5 jobs at my barn. But you get paid in "Barn bucks" and not real money

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